How hot was Ardra in "Devil's Due"?

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  1. Oddish

    Oddish Commodore Fleet Captain

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    I said during, not throughout. I wish I could have stayed 14. No shaving, aches, pains, or getting fat.
     
  2. Jayson1

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    I don't know. I don't want to judge people by their looks but Fek'lar doesn't do much for me. Maybe if he didn't drool so much.


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  3. Maurice

    Maurice Fact Trekker Premium Member

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    There's a reason all those "Babe of the week" threads were banished from up on high.

    Human beings aren't required to give voice to their sweaty little hormonal Ids. :razz:
     
  4. Forbin

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    So, over in the B5 discussion, I mentioned Pat Tallman looked hot, and a mod told me he doesn't need to know 'who I masturbate to.' Here, we compliment an actress's attractiveness, and you also counter with gross mention of body fluids. The only adjective we used was 'hot' - a compliment used universally regarding males and females in the entertainment business (to whom looking good is part of the job). Seems to me you guys looking down your noses at us are being more vile and disgusting than you think we are.
     
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  5. CorporalCaptain

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    Sorry, no. The OP establishes that this thread here is about sexual intercourse and/or other forms of sexual gratification.

     
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  6. Oddish

    Oddish Commodore Fleet Captain

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    I feel that as long as these posts are tasteful, there's no harm in expressing that you find a person attractive. Humanity may have evolved (a little) by the 22nd/23rd/24th/32nd century, but certain parts of our body still function.
     
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  7. Mutai Sho-Rin

    Mutai Sho-Rin Crusty Old Bastard Moderator

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    When this thread first posted, I was concerned. It certainly is an objectification of a character but that character is a fictional being presented by a professional actor. As a heteronormative male, even at my advanced age, I can easily appreciate female beauty without needing to be demeaning toward an attractive woman. As long as posters in this thread refrain from overtly sexual comments, I'm content to let it continue. The thread about Troi in her uniform is also somewhat objectifying but again, a fictional character portrayed by a professional actress clearly hired in part for her physical beauty. Play nice, Trekkers.
    https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/deanna-looked-great-in-her-uniform.302185/
     
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  8. Oddish

    Oddish Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Saying Troi looked great in her uniform, IMO, is saying that she presented an image of professionalism and competence. Which is exactly what she should have presented while on the bridge.

    I have seen Edward Jellico both vilified and adored, and I think the truth is somewhere in between. But he was right about Deanna needing to dress like an officer on the bridge.
     
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    Even on Kirk's Enterprise everybody wore formal dress or work uniforms on the bridge and that man was about as laid back as any Starfleet Captain.
     
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  10. ScottJ85

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    More evidence to back up my theory that we all stopped maturing at 14 and have been faking it ever since.
     
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  11. Forbin

    Forbin Admiral Admiral

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    Guilty! :lol:
    Well, here we are on a Star Trek forum, nitpicking episodes, talking about pretty girls (or guys) and arguing over how fictional science works, just like when we were 14. I ain't growin' up and you can't make me! ;)
     
  12. TopperHenly

    TopperHenly Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I had just watched that episode a few days ago.

    She was a product of the times i.e. the Dynasty era of the shoulder padded power mad female who mixed sexuality with ruthlessness. I could image she would have been 'hot' in the eighties but not now. However, each to their own.

    I agree with others that she would have been great as a Harry Mudd type recurring character.
     
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  13. Qonundrum

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    Personally, I think drool is great... Even better, if the personality made up for the looks, and by looks is it facial structure, amount of visceral body fat, perception of other attributes, and so on...? How much does a good personality make up for the other individual aspects one might not be so hot to trot on? Then again, when someone giggles and calls their lover "Oh, you devil!", it's generally not in the most literal sense a la Fek'lar.
     
  14. WesleysDisciple

    WesleysDisciple Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    How do you think starfleet would have reacted if she was real?
     
  15. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Commodore Commodore

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    I dunno I found her character kinda loud, vulgar and kinda annoying (I can see why they thought she might be a Q). And the actress isn't particularly attractive either.
    Then again, I'm not her target audience, I guess.
     
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    If she had been real, and she really had signed that contract with Ventax in a legitimate way a thousand years ago, there would be very little the Federation could have done. Heck, if she had been real, there probably would have been little the Federation could have done, legitimate contract or not.

    So I suppose they'd pity the Ventaxians, but otherwise shrug their shoulders about yet another extremely powerful entity that apparently doubled as a supernatural in their own past, like those Greek God aliens from TOS.
     
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  17. Orphalesion

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    Couldn't they have made a case that the far away ancestors for the Ventaxians didn't have the legal right to sign away the possession and lives of their descendants?
    Maybe they could have negotiated the option that Ardra returns the environmental devastation she supposedly healed to the planet, but otherwise grants them their freedom?

    Sorry it's been months since I saw that episode.
     
  18. at Quark's

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    Of course they could, but what if 'the devil' outright refused to accept that argument, and maintained that the contract is valid? I think there's still little Starfleet could do.

    Also, let's not forget that the Ventaxians themselves seemed to consider it valid, despite their terror- until it was proved she was an impostor, that is. Then again, that could just show the ensnaring trap of beliefs instilled into them since childhood.
     
  19. RandyS

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    And that's bad because.......?
     
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  20. Oddish

    Oddish Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Basically, the Enterprise had two choices.

    1. Exert enough force against Ardra that she was unable to maintain a hold on the planet.

    2. Demonstrate, in front of an authority Ardra would respect, that Ardra's contract with the planet was invalid.

    If Ardra's abilities were genuine (figure Q level or higher), and her hold on the planet legally irrefutable, there's really very little the Enterprise could have done. However, neither was true. Ardra was demonstrably not who she said she was, and her powers were limited to a cloaked ship that Enterprise was able to seize easily. So, either option would have worked.