How do you think "Enterprise" was affected by the movie?

[Jayson]

I think the "Enterprise" era was hugely affected in this new divergent timeline. For the sake of argument let's say the events of "First COntact" still played out the same even without Picard and the Borg involved, in which case the timeline still would look similiar to Prime timeline up until "Enterprise"

With No temporal Cold War involved it means Klanng doesn't crash on Earth because he wouldn't be chased the Suliban. I could see this delaying the lauch of the First Warp 5 mission. I think Starfleet was proably going to go whether the Vulcans wanted to or not which means I could see realtions between Earth and Vulcan not becoming as close as it was in Prime Universe. It also means T'Pol and Phlox never become crewmembers.

Who knows how the chain of events alter from there. Perhaps they become friends with Andorians and they meet the Carddisians and Ferengi and other TNG era races that won't be discovered until much later in the Prime Universe. Personally I don't think Vulcan was quite as important in the new timeline especially since the Vulcan High Council was corrupt and had one guy working for the Romulans. This mght explain why the destruction of their homeworld is basically death sentence ofr their race. Perphaps they become more isolated from the galaxy and thus didn't have as many colonies or whatnot as they would have in the Prime Universe.

With no Vulcans involved that might be why the tech looks different. Perhaps the Vulcans played a huge role in how Starfleet tech looks and operates in the Prime Universe. Hell we don't even know if Vulcan was a Federation member in this new universe. The good news though is Trip doesn't die in this Universe.

Jason

 

[Samurai8472]

Enterprise's timeline is fine. Nero didn't arrive till years later.

 

[Jayson]

Enterprise's timeline is fine. Nero didn't arrive till years later.

The past would be affected though because the future was effected. It isn't just the 24th century that will change. The 29th century and all the stuff involving the Temporal Cold War would be altered as well. For all we know Future Guy was a Vulcan who won't even be born in this new timeline. No Xidni confict as well because that involved time travel sheenigans as well.

Jason

 

[Therin of Andor]

I think the "Enterprise" era was hugely affected in this new divergent timeline. For the sake of argument let's say the events of "First COntact" still played out the same even without Picard and the Borg involved, in which case the timeline still would look similiar to Prime timeline up until "Enterprise"

It's Spock and Nero (and his Romulan crew) who are missing from the old timeline. "Countdown" shows that the 24th century we knew still exists after they left. So that "First Contact" still happened.

ENT is untouched in both timelines.

 

[Jayson]

I think the "Enterprise" era was hugely affected in this new divergent timeline. For the sake of argument let's say the events of "First COntact" still played out the same even without Picard and the Borg involved, in which case the timeline still would look similiar to Prime timeline up until "Enterprise"

It's Spock and Nero (and his Romulan crew) who are missing from the old timeline. "Countdown" shows that the 24th century we knew still exists after they left.

So that "First Contact" still happened.

ENT is untouched in both timelines.

What I mean is the "Enterprise" in the divergent timeline would be altered. I know the "Enterprise" adventures in the Prime Universe all happen as we saw them. Why do you think "Enterprise" would be the same in the divergent timeline? Time Travel in Trek creates a unique pardox in that you can travel back 5 days and altered something and that could lead to a chain of events that changes something that happend hundreds of years in the past. That's something people forget about with Time Travel. Time Travel can effect other time travel events that were supose to happen. For example if you killed "Future Guy" or "Daneils" in the future then they can't be alive to have impact in the past. That is basically what Nero could have done for all we know. It's not a lock but we do know the future in this timeline should play out completely different from the one we are familiar with so there is no telling what impact this will have on things like Timsehips and Temporal Cold Wars i nthe future. Will they still happen anyways or will they simply not happen and if they happen I doubt they will play out exactly like they do in the Prime Trekline.

Jason

 

[Therin of Andor]

Why do you think "Enterprise" would be the same in the divergent timeline?

Because it's already happened. The current characters won't notice any changes. It's their history.

A changed ENT is yet another timeline, but the movie cast aren't in that one.

 

[TIN_MAN]

I suppose there could be yet another altered time line because, as you say, the future has been altered as well, but that's the stuff of future movies/series/books, and fan fiction. But the "NX" time line we saw is the same.

 

[Skywalker]

Enterprise's timeline is fine. Nero didn't arrive till years later.

The past would be affected though because the future was effected. It isn't just the 24th century that will change. The 29th century and all the stuff involving the Temporal Cold War would be altered as well. For all we know Future Guy was a Vulcan who won't even be born in this new timeline. No Xidni confict as well because that involved time travel sheenigans as well.

Jason

Whatever happened, happened. ENT is the only show that remains intact in both realities, because the divergence didn't happen until eighty years later.

 

[Jayson]

Why do you think "Enterprise" would be the same in the divergent timeline?

Because it's already happened. The current characters won't notice any changes. It's their history.

A changed ENT is yet another timeline, but the movie cast aren't in that one.

I agree but that is what I meant by the divergent timeline already being in place as soon as Nero's ship arrives. His arrival changes the future and the changed future would alter the past and the altered past would lead up to "present day" that would altered from how it was playing out in the prime universe. Maybe Robau isn't a captain the Prime Universe. Maybe Kirk's mom is in Iowa instead of on the spaceship which is why she will give birth to him in Iowa. The tech and uniforms look completely different from what we have seen so even if the Uss Kelvin exsits in the Prime Universe I would guess it's interiors would look more like something from "TOS" series era.

I think I see what your going at though. The changes to the "Enterprise" would create yet another divergent timeline. I'm not sure about that. Time Travel seems to be able to work in different ways in the Trek UNiverse. It' almost as if it's being written by writers who want time travel to work however they feel it best serves their stories. It seems to me that you can change a timline in Trek. The Prime Universe was changed for example in "Yesterday's Enterprise." In "Star Trek" though we had a divergent timline instead of a altere timline but then the divergent timline would then become a altered timline if that makes since. Basically the divergent timeline was created and then altered yet again and it might have gone through countless alterations. Unless we are going with "Terminator" time travel logic. I guess it's possible that the 29th century would be altered and anyone in the past would be stuck in this timline which means Daniels has quite a surprise waiting for him but even then that would create some alterations. "Future Guy" never really went to the past so I don't see him being protected by the changes. So would that create yet another altrnat timline?

Jason

 

[Therin of Andor]

Time Travel seems to be able to work in different ways in the Trek UNiverse. It' almost as if it's being written by writers who want time travel to work however they feel it best serves their stories.

The writers told us - ages ago - to think "Parallels" (TNG).

 

[Jayson]

Enterprise's timeline is fine. Nero didn't arrive till years later.

The past would be affected though because the future was effected. It isn't just the 24th century that will change. The 29th century and all the stuff involving the Temporal Cold War would be altered as well. For all we know Future Guy was a Vulcan who won't even be born in this new timeline. No Xidni confict as well because that involved time travel sheenigans as well.

Jason

Whatever happened, happened. ENT is the only show that remains intact in both realities, because the divergence didn't happen until eighty years later.

What do you think though will happen once the divergent timline finally reaches the 29th century? Remember when you alter time it's not like evrything returns to normal. It creates a chain of events that keeps growing and eventually it will get to a point were the future in this divergent timline will look nothing like what happening over in the Prime Universe. Since Time Travel will be happening in the Prime Universe i nthe 29th century then I got to wonder if it will be happening as well in the divergent timline and if it doesn't then how does that impact the past within the "divergent timeline."

Jason

 

[ClayHefner]

He has a point though. If we are supposed to believe that the destruction of the Kelvin altered the Prime Timeline to what we have seen in XI (which looks completely different in many ways), time travel of the future will probably be affected as well.
Future guy is only one example. But how many time travel stories have we had where the outcome depended on several just-in-time solutions and coincidences? Those are bound to take another shape.

But if future time travel is affected, the TCW would also be affected.
And the TCW had quite an impact on how ENT unfolded.

What's even more important- if JJ ABRAMS and his guys decide to change stuff diregarding "ENT canon", the whole "ENT is still intact" argument will be done with in a nanosecond. I just can't see how, after such a successful reboot, they would feel bound to anything ENT. Countdown comics? Please.

The Klingons will probably return at some point. Does anybody really believe they will be the same dudes we know from ENT?
Face it, ENT fans. The old canon is nothing JJ worries about.

 

[USS Triumphant]

That's something people forget about with Time Travel. Time Travel can effect other time travel events that were supose to happen.

As for me, I didn't forget that. You're wrong, and I speak from personal experience - but that's a story for another time.

It isn't a loop. Every moment has an almost infinite number of branches leading to the next probabilities - and all of them are, from a certain point of view - equally valid. Your past is only the sum of the branching that this version of you has followed.

When someone or something from the future enters the branches in the past (which was already a valid possibility from the past-to-future perspective), it merely means that you are now following a different set of probability branches. Nothing that happens can affect the future of the branch the interloper came from - it would be like cutting through the end of one branch on a tree, and expecting the end of a completely different one to fall as a result.

Here's an easy example of the flaw in the way you're looking at it: Nero comes back, makes changes that eliminate the reason Nero came back, and now Nero has no reason to go back, and thus he doesn't. Which means he didn't make the changes, and now he has reason to go back, so he does, and makes the changes, and so on. Doesn't work, does it?

Unresolved paradox can't exist. It has to be a branching probability tree. And in this particular scenario, Nero has woven a spiral (not a loop) across the branches.

 

[Jayson]

Time Travel seems to be able to work in different ways in the Trek UNiverse. It' almost as if it's being written by writers who want time travel to work however they feel it best serves their stories.

The writers told us - ages ago - to think "Parallels" (TNG).

I think there is slight difference. I think we might have different types of alternated timlines. You have ones that diverge on their own and then ones that diverge through time travel but not all time travel creates a divergent timline. That's what I mean. You can create a parrall timline and then it can be altered yet again. That's what I think might have happened. While it's true the divergent timline doesn't change what is happening in the prime timline it can be altered within itself and proably produce yet more divergent timlines as well. Think about it like this. Let's say there is a alternated timline out there were Picard dies in season 2. Riker is captain during "Yesterday's Enterprise" and the Enterprise B is never sent back. Not only are you talking about a parral universe but a universe that was also forever changed from how it was supose to play out. Maybe Picard was supose to die in this universe but he gets a second change only it means that Federation will eventually fall to the Klingons.

Jason
Jason

 

[Jayson]

That's something people forget about with Time Travel. Time Travel can effect other time travel events that were supose to happen.

As for me, I didn't forget that. You're wrong, and I speak from personal experience - but that's a story for another time.

It isn't a loop. Every moment has an almost infinite number of branches leading to the next probabilities - and all of them are, from a certain point of view - equally valid. Your past is only the sum of the branching that this version of you has followed.

When someone or something from the future enters the branches in the past (which was already a valid possibility from the past-to-future perspective), it merely means that you are now following a different set of probability branches. Nothing that happens can affect the future of the branch the interloper came from - it would be like cutting through the end of one branch on a tree, and expecting the end of a completely different one to fall as a result.

Here's an easy example of the flaw in the way you're looking at it: Nero comes back, makes changes that eliminate the reason Nero came back, and now Nero has no reason to go back, and thus he doesn't. Which means he didn't make the changes, and now he has reason to go back, so he does, and makes the changes, and so on. Doesn't work, does it?

Unresolved paradox can't exist. It has to be a branching probability tree. And in this particular scenario, Nero has woven a spiral (not a loop) across the branches.

I agree that is how time travel proably works in reality. In Star Trek though I think we are supose to beleive the time line can be altered. It's just happens the writers went with the more realsitc aproach in the movie so our beloved canon doesn't get erased. That doesn't mean the less realistic forms of time travel still don't exsit within this new timline. Plus it helps explain why the Kelvin tech and uniforms look different. It's a good excuse to explain design changes for that ship and franky it's kind of fun to think about how "Enterprise" in the divergent timline might have been altered. If your creating a new universe you might as well have fun and play around with the backstory to the new "TOS" era as well.

Jason

 

[Squiggy]

Not at all.

 

[Tulin]

Since most people do not accept ENT as canon anyway, nothing has changed.

 

[Skywalker]

Since most people do not accept ENT as canon anyway, nothing has changed.

And many other people do accept ENT as canon. Even if none of us did, it wouldn't matter--because it is canon.

 

[JWolf]

We could get into a time loop. If Enterprise was affected, then that would affect stuff up to where the movie started and then that doesn't happen as it did and because it doesn't happen then it happens and because it happens, it doesn't happen and because it happens, it doesn't happen and so on forever and ever.

 

[Overgeeked]

Enterprise isn't affected as it occurs before Nero's time travel and it's an alternate reality.