how do you account for all of the numerous canon violations in this show?

[middleagednerdgirl]

All of the "How could they change the Klingons?" whining gave me flashbacks to 1979. Trek fans have never changed.

I hate the Klingon redesign, but not just because it's a redesign. The new prosthetics handicap the actors. They can barely walk and can't move anything in their faces but their eyes. Mary Chieffo should get some sort of special award for somehow magically being able to act through all that crap. And I don't think anything was gained that compensates for handicapping the actors and messing so drastically with continuity. It's just not cool enough. They just look like rubber heads to me. In contrast, I liked what they did with the Tellarite and Andorian.

 

[Cyke101]

Let's bring up the design of Discovery. One of the smartest things they did was using a design from the 1970s. Had Planet of the Titans been made the design would've been used for a Star Trek film set in the 23rd Century.

Another key: Discovery was commissioned in 2256, two years after "The Cage". If you want to accept that the Enterprise was launched in 2245... then what you have is a ship that actually is newer than the Enterprise. That's how you have a post-TOS ship in a pre-TOS show.

In fact, in Real Life, the design for the Discovery was designed in-between the original Enterprise and the refit Enterprise. It fits.

The bridge for Discovery actually looks similar to one of the original concept designs for the TOS Enterprise bridge.

Y'know, I must say, I like the idea that, I think twice now (maybe), the Constitution's been brought up as THE most desired posting in Starfleet. Discovery being newer and more scientifically advanced (as opposed to other areas) is nice and all, but even several of Discovery's crew hope to serve on a Connie one day, including Burnham herself. It not only shows reverence for TOS, but also gives a good idea of the hierarchy on the show; and that maybe the Connie surpasses the Crossfield in other ways -- for one thing, longevity. Starfleet's lost one of their two Crossfields, and if they notice Discovery being gone for an extended amount of time, then they can rightfully assume that both ships are gone!

I imagine it would be like comparing the Intrepid to the Galaxy. Sure, some will pick the Intrepid, and that's fine. She's newer, sleeker, faster, more advanced. But the Galaxy is the face of Starfleet, it has much more space for different assignments, it's placed at the furthest reaches of the galaxy, and it's virtually a flying city.

(or, by the same token, why every other admiral in TNG favored the Excelsior, even though many more advanced ships -- and even successors -- had been launched since then)

 

[fireproof78]

It's just not cool enough.

It's just not "cool enough?" What does that mean?

 

[seigezunt]

Trek has always been inconsistent, and fans have always come up with great explanations for when Trek is inconsistent.

That's always been half the fun of it.

Since growing up watching TOS, I adopted a conceit along the lines of that used in the old Starfleet technical Manual, that we are getting transmissions from the future, but the reception gets wonky at times. Much as our ideas about the past have been tweaked because of scholarship and archeology, the same with these visions of the future.

Because it's fiction, and should be fun.

 

[The Wormhole]

As I understand it the makers of DISCO aren’t allowed to make the show look like proper prime timeline Trek just as kelvinverse movies aren’t allowed to look like that either. The tech, uniforms, Klingons etc must look different as the contract states it. We are unlikely to see a constitution class ship, interior or exterior, on discovery at all. Also the look is different for merchandising purposed as well.

Everything about your post is completely wrong.

 

[seigezunt]

Everything about your post is completely wrong.

It's astounding how this idea persists.

 

[Tallguy]

It's astounding how this idea persists.

I had heard it. And it has a kind of feasible craziness to it. Only in Hollywood would that make sense. But it would totally make sense in Hollywood.

But apparently it isn't true?

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Y'know, I must say, I like the idea that, I think twice now (maybe), the Constitution's been brought up as THE most desired posting in Starfleet. Discovery being newer and more scientifically advanced (as opposed to other areas) is nice and all, but even several of Discovery's crew hope to serve on a Connie one day, including Burnham herself. It not only shows reverence for TOS, but also gives a good idea of the hierarchy on the show; and that maybe the Connie surpasses the Crossfield in other ways -- for one thing, longevity. Starfleet's lost one of their two Crossfields, and if they notice Discovery being gone for an extended amount of time, then they can rightfully assume that both ships are gone!

I imagine it would be like comparing the Intrepid to the Galaxy. Sure, some will pick the Intrepid, and that's fine. She's newer, sleeker, faster, more advanced. But the Galaxy is the face of Starfleet, it has much more space for different assignments, it's placed at the furthest reaches of the galaxy, and it's virtually a flying city.

(or, by the same token, why every other admiral in TNG favored the Excelsior, even though many more advanced ships -- and even successors -- had been launched since then)

A few things here. DSC is treating the connie like a Battle cruiser/Battle ship posting. There are not a lot of them, but they are sought after postings. They are not more advanced then the Discovery, but are far more powerful and the Crossfilds are more science ships,like the Later Oberths.

As for the crossfields, they are still around, the spore project used two of them, the Discovery and the Glenn( spelling?), but we know at lest one more must be out there and likely more than one.

 

[The Wormhole]

But apparently it isn't true?

It most certainly is not true. There is no legal reason preventing a return to the Prime Universe exactly as it was depicted in the other shows. How could there be? Star Trek is owned by CBS, and this show is produced by CBS.

the Crossfilds are more science ships,like the Later Oberths.

The Crossfield class is nothing like the Oberth aside from both being science ships. The Oberth is small and essentially a flying science lab with very little armaments and piss-poor defenses. The Crossfield is some sort of scientific command ship, Saru even says it can coordinate three hundred scientific missions simultaneously. Not to mention it has enough armaments and defenses to take on Klingon ships and win. And the damn ship is huge.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

The Crossfield class is nothing like the Oberth aside from both being science ships. The Oberth is small and essentially a flying science lab with very little armaments and piss-poor defenses. The Crossfield is some sort of scientific command ship, Saru even says it can coordinate three hundred scientific missions simultaneously. Not to mention it has enough armaments and defenses to take on Klingon ships and win. And the damn ship is huge.

No one likes to hear this, but the Connie, like many Star fleet ship classes are warships. I brought the Oberth up as it is not. Heck they sell them to civilian organizations. I do agree the Crossfield is much larger ship, its not cheap or small, its meant to be almost a flagship of the science division I would guess.

 

[The Wormhole]

No one likes to hear this, but the Connie, like many Star fleet ship classes are warships.

And yet, it seems the Constitution fleet is being kept out of this war with the Klingons.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

And yet, it seems the Constitution fleet is being kept out of this war with the Klingons.

No, we know the Defiant at lest is involved as the crew brought it up. Just because we have not seen them, does not mean they are not active. The discovery tends to act solo, so we don't see it with other ships often at all.

 

[The Wormhole]

No, we know the Defiant at lest is involved as the crew brought it up.

All they say is the Defiant is "patrolling Sector 6." While it may not conclusively prove it isn't involved with the war, it also does not prove it is either.

The discovery tends to act solo, so we don't see it with other ships often at all.

Given how much of a decisive and important battle Binary Stars was, that would be the most obvious time to include a Constitution, perhaps even as the Admiral's flagship.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

All they say is the Defiant is "patrolling Sector 6." While it may not conclusively prove it isn't involved with the war, it also does not prove it is either.

We see no other ships really, we did not even see the Admirals ride. The only one we have saw was one they got there to late to help.

Given how much of a decisive and important battle Binary Stars was, that would be the most obvious time to include a Constitution, perhaps even as the Admiral's flagship.

That one is simple, its explained in the episode. The fleet there was what they could scrap up that was close enough to make it. What we know of connies shows us they are often deep space. Its not all that odd you would not see one of the 12( if they keep that) connies in that Sector at that time.

 

[The Wormhole]

What we know of connies shows us they are often deep space.

The Enterprise spent plenty of time within Federation borders, including a few visits to Federation core world such as Vulcan and even Earth itself.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

The Enterprise spent plenty of time within Federation borders, including a few visits to Federation core world such as Vulcan and even Earth itself.

If there are 12 and TOS is to be believed, its a big, big space. They got bunch of ships near by, there simply was no connie round. I do think we will see one, but not yet.

 

[Donker]

We haven't seen the Klingon War really at all so there could be Connies flying around wrecking shit. The Connie doesn't seem to me like a warship, it has like, one phaser and a single torpedo launcher.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

We haven't seen the Klingon War really at all so there could be Connies flying around wrecking shit. The Connie doesn't seem to me like a warship, it has like, one phaser and a single torpedo launcher.

I do not recall the number of Phaser banks, But it had at lest 4, it also had six forward torpedo tubes and one aft IIRC

 

[Succubint]

Just out of curiosity, when was the first time that we saw multiple Federation ships in the same area, on the same mission in TNG? I'm guessing it's Best of Both Worlds in Season 3. But I could be misremembering.

Trying to think of any example in TOS where the Enterprise wasn't one of the few or only ship(s) responding to whatever crisis it was.

 

[Donker]

I do not recall the number of Phaser banks, But it had at lest 4, it also had six forward torpedo tubes and one aft IIRC

Looking it up on Alpha it looks like you are right, but none of this is shown in the show. I thought it only had that disco ball and a torpedo tube at the front.
Where the hell is the Aft torpedo tube?