how do you account for all of the numerous canon violations in this show?

[bigglesworth]

They don't. The D5 in "Marauders" was fitted out with huge fuel tanks and had one of its disruptor cannons removed.

It's also puzzling why some ships have a "D" class and others don't. The D4 patrol ships from STID certainly aren't related to the D5 cruisers we saw in the 22nd century, which leads me to wonder if the small ship that the Augments stole in the borderlands was a 22nd century D4. And then there's the Raptor class cruiser which looks more like the later Klingon ships than anything else we ever saw (D6?) and the big four-gun bird of prey that is somehow large enough to have its own shuttlebay (D2, mighty duck class?)


Indeed.

D5, D7, etc... could simply refer to the ship's platform or frame. Showing my age here, but think back to the Chryslers/Dodges of the 80s and early 90s. Nearly every car produced by the company was a K-car or built on a chassis derived from the K-platform. Many car manufactures still do this. GM has the Alpha, Delta, Epsilon and other platforms. Ford has the B, C and D platforms.

The vehicles that use these chassis look different enough from other vehicles using the same chassis.

Just my $0.02

 

[Nyotarules]

When the Star Trek Council of Rome convenes then I will worry about canon

 

[Spot261]

listen.

i have no life. star trek is my life.

We got it.

Maybe though you need to realise you are ascribing some quality to trek that was never intended, was never part of the design or the execution. Trek simply isn't a franchise all that closely aligned to any internal continuity, never has been.

One wouldn't question "Man of Steel" for "canon violations" because Zod was killed in Metropolis and not the Fortress of Solitude. Both are legitimate entries into the canon, regardless of the fact they represent an internal discontinuity. For some reason people insist on believing this logic doesn't apply to trek, that it is somehow to be held up to absolute scrutiny despite nothing being further from the truth.

At it's best trek is a series of morality plays which produce as many questions as answers, at it's worst.....well let's not go there.

What it has never been is a well defined story arc seamlessly weaving it's way through a perfectly realised universe

 

[mos6507]

Maybe though you need to realise you are ascribing some quality to trek that was never intended, was never part of the design or the execution. Trek simply isn't a franchise all that closely aligned to any internal continuity, never has been.

It's a matter of degree. There's a difference between the occasional retcon and a stealth reboot. Discovery is a stealth reboot. The degree of pandering done at the convention panels intended to convince fans that everything would make sense and tie together vs. how it's actually played out is blatant false advertising.

 

[XCV330]

At it's best trek is a series of morality plays which produce as many questions as answers, at it's worst.....well let's not go there.

Oh why not. Disco hardly ever gets a fair shake. I'll go there:

 

[The Wormhole]

Damn it, Threshold is not a bad episode!

 

[dahj]

Damn it, Threshold is not a bad episode!

Only lizard people say that.
Are you a lizard person?

 

[The Wormhole]

You got a problem with lizard people?

 

[dahj]

You got a problem with lizard people?

No, I welcome our new old overlords.

 

[XCV330]

You got a problem with lizard people?

When Salamander Janeway and Salamander Paris's lovechildren get tired of living under a rock, they'll return to our quadrant and bring us total consciousnes. We we've got that going for us.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Damn it, Threshold is not a bad episode!

Oh wait... were you serious?

 

[Spot261]

It's a matter of degree. There's a difference between the occasional retcon and a stealth reboot. Discovery is a stealth reboot. The degree of pandering done at the convention panels intended to convince fans that everything would make sense and tie together vs. how it's actually played out is blatant false advertising.

Respectfully I have to disagree about the matter of degree, I think you are either overestimating the continuity present in previous iterations or not giving due regard to the ways in which Discovery fits perfectly well into the star trek universe. TMP and TNG could equally be described as soft reboots, as could TWOK after TMP.

Events throughout the rest of the franchise only fit into those observed elsewhere as and when it suits, the franchise is literally defined by thematic changes and selective use of details where they advance a plot line. My suspicion is that the extent to which this is true simply escapes most people's notice.

 

[Mage]

The question is how do I account for the canon violations, this is how I do and sleep all the better for it.

Would you actually loose sleep over this?

 

[Tenacity]

Threshold is certainly better than some other episodes.

*cough* Masks *cough*

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Here's a great list of all the times that ST Discovery broke canon.

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-broke-canon-facts-trivia/

Yeah, but quickly skimming those we see two of them "Spock has a human sister" and "Klingons are different" are not exactly limited to DSC, but were also things we saw in two of the TOS movies:

In Star Trek:TMP, the Klingons looked different -- and that film did not explain why they looked different.
Star Trek V:Fiinal Frontier told us Spock had a previously half-brother that he never mentioned to his best friends.

 

[eschaton]

Honestly, discounting visual inconsistencies, this series arguably breaks canon a lot less than Enterprise ever did.

 

[starmike]

Here's a great list of all the times that ST Discovery broke canon.

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-broke-canon-facts-trivia/

That list is garbage.

 

[F. King Daniel]

STD takes place in the same alternate reality as all the events of NuTrek films, therefore has no impact on Prime Trek.

Nope. In Into Darkness, the Klingons are a largely unknown potential threat that have "fired on our ships half a dozen times". In Discovery, a few years earlier, the Klingons are in open warfare with the UFP. Thus, no chance they're the same world.

 

[Attentiveluke]

As I understand it the makers of DISCO aren’t allowed to make the show look like proper prime timeline Trek just as kelvinverse movies aren’t allowed to look like that either. The tech, uniforms, Klingons etc must look different as the contract states it. We are unlikely to see a constitution class ship, interior or exterior, on discovery at all. Also the look is different for merchandising purposed as well.

 

[Butters]

As I understand it the makers of DISCO aren’t allowed to make the show look like proper prime timeline Trek just as kelvinverse movies aren’t allowed to look like that either. The tech, uniforms, Klingons etc must look different as the contract states it. We are unlikely to see a constitution class ship, interior or exterior, on discovery at all. Also the look is different for merchandising purposed as well.

How did you come this understanding? I’ve not heard anything like this.