"We are the American Borg. Resistance is futile: our guns are bigger than yours. We will add your technological and biological distinctiveness and your oil to our own. Your culture will adapt to mimic us. Our collective is the ultimate embodiment of democracy, although our communications will tell you what to think. E pluribus unum."
How did the Borg actually take note of humanity?
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And/or Section 31.
That said, I'm of the mind that what we're seeing is a closed loop, a predestination paradox. Meaning: There was never a timeline in which the Borg did not travel back in time (as shown in ST:FC), because it was always supposed to happen - it always DID happen. So therefore, the Borg always crash landed on Earth (Regeneration), they always sent out a distress signal (same ep), which the 24th-century Borg picked up on and thus set course for Earth (Q Who), which caused the Borg conflicts we're all familiar with, which caused the Borg sphere to crash land on Earth...
And yes, I also firmly believe that ST:FC itself is a paradox. The Ent-E crew always were part of 21st-century history, and Riker and LaForge were always part of Cochrane's crew on the Phoenix. You can't prove any of this ISN'T the case, anyway.
It's my belief that the Borg changed themselves via time travel some time after "Descent", maybe shortly before First Contact, because Hugh's return crippled or even destroyed the original collective we've seen in TNG.
Or maybe the Borg's arrival in 2063 and their later transmission send to the Delta Quadrant during the 22nd century created the changed Borg we've seen since First Contact. And that might be the pogo paradox, Braxton talked about in "Relativity".
Assuming Q did care about humanity, which evidence suggests that he did, then if Q felt that introducing the E-D to the Borg would ultimately have a chance of saving millions if not billions of lives, I imagine he'd think that 18 lives was a small price to pay. Or, as I believe he says in the episode, "a bloody nose".
Heck, maybe he knew something about those 18 lives that we didn't.
I think, objectively speaking, Picard would agree with Q, though I don't imagine he'd say so in public.
"Risk is our business."
I don't think anyone's suggested yet that the Borg travel into the past in FC specifically to ensure that FC will occur?
Assuming Q did care about humanity, which evidence suggests that he did, then if Q felt that introducing the E-D to the Borg would ultimately have a chance of saving millions if not billions of lives, I imagine he'd think that 18 lives was a small price to pay. Or, as I believe he says in the episode, "a bloody nose".
Heck, maybe he knew something about those 18 lives that we didn't.
I think, objectively speaking, Picard would agree with Q, though I don't imagine he'd say so in public.
"Risk is our business."
I don't think anyone's suggested yet that the Borg travel into the past in FC specifically to ensure that FC will occur?
I am thinking of Archer's Borg, the ones who managed to send a message to the D-Quadrant before they were destroyed.
Knowing Q he might have done both at the same time.
He warned Federation about the Borg and showed Picard that he's not invincible.
Yes, Picard speaks to Q with contempt and disdain but Q has only one little thing (for him) to do to make him beg on his knees. Personally, I don't much care for that kind of bravado.
Picard to Q: Get off my ship!!!
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Picard to Q (when something bad is about to happen): Q, please, I beg of you, do something...
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Priceless!
I might add this to the options:
If you are Seven of Nine, stay where you are. The Queen will be there momentarily to reassimilate you.
"This cube may be recorded for quality assimilation purposes. Have a nice collective."
'We are the British Borg, please form an orderly queue for assimilation. Authorised topic of discussion while waiting...The weather. Topics banned from discussion
1. 'The pros and cons of a republican cube v a constitutional monarchy'
2. The independence of Scottishmatrix Zero
3. A referendum to rejoin the EUmatrix
1. 'The pros and cons of a republican cube v a constitutional monarchy'
2. The independence of Scottishmatrix Zero
3. A referendum to rejoin the EUmatrix
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I agree with Mr. Laser Beam that FC is a Paradox, a loop, they didn't create an alternate timeline.
The VOY episode 'Relativity' even implies as much:
I agree, and as I said above, VOY Relativity.
I think the borg started as a social network... one thing led to another...
Q is a god-like being who is seemingly omnipotent and at least partly omniscient. He may take on the appearance of a human male, but he has no more in common with us than we do with the insects found in our backyards. With the exception of Picard, the average human life means nothing to him. There are billions of us.
Which makes his attachment to Picard kinda strange. For some odd reason, Picard's opinion seems to matter to him while no other person's does.
Picard is his pet
Yes, that was Deanna's unflattering characterization of their relationship.
Data's, actually.
Data made that analogy in the finale during a conference.
Yes, and I seem to remember now that Picard wasn't too pleased about that.
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