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How did the Borg actually take note of humanity?
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I'm still for the theory that it happened exactly as we as viewers saw it unfold chronologically.
That is, in the original timeline the Borg took notice of humanity in the way shown in TNG: by those Neutral outpost colonies raided by the Borg in The Neutral Zone, and about a year later, by Q flinging them into system J-25, and most notably, escaping from that again with an incredible speed (the Borg did not know of course that was Q's doing). Then we get First contact, the Borg travel back to 2063, and now we get this altered timeline. in which Cochrane leaves some vague references, which may in turn have led to the Hansens doing their research, and also to the 'Regeneration' incident shown in Enterprise, sending the signal and notifying the DQ Borg of Earth, creating a new and stable time loop. From this new timeline's perspective, the Borg have 'always' caused their own investigation of earth. But not necessarily so when you look at it from a multi-timeline perspective (i.e. from our viewer perspective, out-of-universe).
Of course there's still a few unanswered questions if we go with this: we still don't know what caused the Borg to raid those Neutral zone colonies (apparently rather far from their own territory) in the first place in the original timeline, and also it's not entirely clear what the Hansens knew, exactly. Strictly fitting to what we saw chronologically, they might have known the Cochrane references (FC was before the Hansens were mentioned in Voyager), but not the Regeneration incident. Seeing though that FC would be part of the new timeline, I'm voting for them to be part of that, so them possibly knowing about the 2150's incident, too.
Then again, never let a few pesky and inconvenient facts ruin an otherwise nice theory
That is, in the original timeline the Borg took notice of humanity in the way shown in TNG: by those Neutral outpost colonies raided by the Borg in The Neutral Zone, and about a year later, by Q flinging them into system J-25, and most notably, escaping from that again with an incredible speed (the Borg did not know of course that was Q's doing). Then we get First contact, the Borg travel back to 2063, and now we get this altered timeline. in which Cochrane leaves some vague references, which may in turn have led to the Hansens doing their research, and also to the 'Regeneration' incident shown in Enterprise, sending the signal and notifying the DQ Borg of Earth, creating a new and stable time loop. From this new timeline's perspective, the Borg have 'always' caused their own investigation of earth. But not necessarily so when you look at it from a multi-timeline perspective (i.e. from our viewer perspective, out-of-universe).
Of course there's still a few unanswered questions if we go with this: we still don't know what caused the Borg to raid those Neutral zone colonies (apparently rather far from their own territory) in the first place in the original timeline, and also it's not entirely clear what the Hansens knew, exactly. Strictly fitting to what we saw chronologically, they might have known the Cochrane references (FC was before the Hansens were mentioned in Voyager), but not the Regeneration incident. Seeing though that FC would be part of the new timeline, I'm voting for them to be part of that, so them possibly knowing about the 2150's incident, too.
Then again, never let a few pesky and inconvenient facts ruin an otherwise nice theory
The information among the Borg doesn't circulate very fast. Hugh didn't know that Picard was no longer Locutus even though his escape happened years before. So maybe some Borg know things that others ignore...
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And/or Section 31.
That said, I'm of the mind that what we're seeing is a closed loop, a predestination paradox. Meaning: There was never a timeline in which the Borg did not travel back in time (as shown in ST:FC), because it was always supposed to happen - it always DID happen. So therefore, the Borg always crash landed on Earth (Regeneration), they always sent out a distress signal (same ep), which the 24th-century Borg picked up on and thus set course for Earth (Q Who), which caused the Borg conflicts we're all familiar with, which caused the Borg sphere to crash land on Earth...
And yes, I also firmly believe that ST:FC itself is a paradox. The Ent-E crew always were part of 21st-century history, and Riker and LaForge were always part of Cochrane's crew on the Phoenix. You can't prove any of this ISN'T the case, anyway.
It's pretty much a case of "Multiple Choice Backstory" by now.
You can decide whichever you like:
1)Did those Borg from Enterprise alert the Collective of the humans and the time travel paradox associated with them?
2)Did the Hansons reveal humanity to the Borg when they recklessly exposed their young daughter to the danger of being assimilated?
3)Did the Borg discover humanity when they slurped up those outposts along the Neutral Zone? And Q throwing the Enterprise into the path of a Borg Cube was his way to warn his favourite captain/species of their coming approach?
4)Or did Q throw a temper tantrum and reveal humanity to the Borg?
It's like the question of who founded Lorien in the Middle Earth Mythos and when, there's a whole bunch of versions on how/when it happened and none of them quite work completely with that's said on page(or in the case of Star Trek, screen).
You can decide whichever you like:
1)Did those Borg from Enterprise alert the Collective of the humans and the time travel paradox associated with them?
2)Did the Hansons reveal humanity to the Borg when they recklessly exposed their young daughter to the danger of being assimilated?
3)Did the Borg discover humanity when they slurped up those outposts along the Neutral Zone? And Q throwing the Enterprise into the path of a Borg Cube was his way to warn his favourite captain/species of their coming approach?
4)Or did Q throw a temper tantrum and reveal humanity to the Borg?
It's like the question of who founded Lorien in the Middle Earth Mythos and when, there's a whole bunch of versions on how/when it happened and none of them quite work completely with that's said on page(or in the case of Star Trek, screen).
Q didn't do that out of spite or anger. He did it because he genuinely believed Starfleet had grown complacent and thus needed to be given a kick in the pants, as it were.
If the Enterprise hadn't been flung into Borg territory, the Federation would have been completely unprepared for the inevitable arrival of the Borg, and would probably have been wiped out.
And/or Section 31.
That said, I'm of the mind that what we're seeing is a closed loop, a predestination paradox. Meaning: There was never a timeline in which the Borg did not travel back in time (as shown in ST:FC), because it was always supposed to happen - it always DID happen. So therefore, the Borg always crash landed on Earth (Regeneration), they always sent out a distress signal (same ep), which the 24th-century Borg picked up on and thus set course for Earth (Q Who), which caused the Borg conflicts we're all familiar with, which caused the Borg sphere to crash land on Earth...
And yes, I also firmly believe that ST:FC itself is a paradox. The Ent-E crew always were part of 21st-century history, and Riker and LaForge were always part of Cochrane's crew on the Phoenix. You can't prove any of this ISN'T the case, anyway.
I prefer the multi-verse perspective, IE there is a universe where the Borg never traveled back, one where they did and prevented the flight, one where they didn't... In fact, there are many instances of each in which things were slightly different...
So no paradoxes, just many different versions.
I don't know why Q did it. What I do know is that he doesn't always incarnate the will of the Q-continuum, since he was even punished for his actions once.
I always took it to mean that the Borg don't really acknowledge the possibility or validity of true de-assimilation. Much like the Queen didn't with 7 in Dark Frontier, even though she obviously knew what had happened to 7.
Then they told Cochrane to use fake names for his crew... which nobody ever checked, and there never were any pictures - unless he made two random people fake heroes by letting them pose as his crewmates XD
That was exactly why he did it. First he offered to join the Enterprise crew, when Picard rejected that offer, Q sent them in the path of the Borg cube as punishment.
^ I highly doubt Q ever seriously expected to be allowed to join the crew. He was just joking around - he had to have been. That's what he always does.
Besides, if Q were truly angry, he would NOT have introduced the Federation to the Borg. He would have let the Borg overrun the Alpha Quadrant (which is what would have happened). By doing what he did, Q was giving the Federation a fair chance. He wouldn't have done that if he'd been mad at them.
Besides, if Q were truly angry, he would NOT have introduced the Federation to the Borg. He would have let the Borg overrun the Alpha Quadrant (which is what would have happened). By doing what he did, Q was giving the Federation a fair chance. He wouldn't have done that if he'd been mad at them.
It was never about preparing the Federation for the Borg, Q simply wanted Picard to feel defeated and beg Q to come to his rescue. Which is what happened.
We are the Canadian Borg. Your assimilation is very important. Please stay on the line and wait for the next available assimilation agent, as your assimilation will be accomplished quicker than if you hang up and dial again.
*annoying on-hold music begins*
If you know the extension of the drone you are trying to reach, please enter it now.
Otherwise: For assimilation, please press 1. To resist, press 2. To introduce an unsolvable alien virus, press 3. To reach Unimatrix Zero, press 4. To hear these options again, press 5. To speak to the Queen, press 0.
Otherwise: For assimilation, please press 1. To resist, press 2. To introduce an unsolvable alien virus, press 3. To reach Unimatrix Zero, press 4. To hear these options again, press 5. To speak to the Queen, press 0.
Priceless!
I might add this to the options:
If you are Seven of Nine, stay where you are. The Queen will be there momentarily to reassimilate you.
Q's "joke" costs the lives of several people and when told about it he just shrugged it off. Asie from Picard and maybe Riker, Q seems to consider that the lives of people are no more valuable than those of insects.
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