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How did Cirroc Lofton get away with it?

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Nope, I used to be more tolerant and open-minded to the Niners but after 14 years I just decided they weren't worth the effort and nothing would ever change that. So now I just treat them the way they should be treated.
Anwar, you have just admitted to trolling the DS9 forum in order to insult its fans.

The FAQ, I suggest you read it:
Trolling is an internet term that means you're not posting to actually start or participate in a good discussion, but simply to anger another member or group of members. Posting in order to bait other users, moderators or administrators will not be tolerated.
It's fine to say a certain aspect of Star Trek is bad, as long as you don't insult the people who think otherwise, and as long as you actually back up what you say. Jumping in and shouting "Kirk sucks!" is not an acceptable form of constructive criticism.
Everyone else, you all know the rule about feeding trolls. If you feel that Anwar is insulting either you or fellow fans then there is an official route which can be taken for making complaints against him.
 
Because WESLEY was written to be like your 'average' star trek stereotypical trek fan..a nerdy teenager boy, with, at best, ambigous sexual desires and an inability to converse with regular non-dork humanoids...and we all know that this image of Star Trek fan is entirely off course!!!

Rob
 
Everyone else, you all know the rule about feeding trolls. If you feel that Anwar is insulting either you or fellow fans then there is an official route which can be taken for making complaints against him.

There is also a handy dandy feature that I almost never use but that I actually think is justified in this case. "Ignore author". When someone has zero of value to contribute to a discussion and is only there to forward a paranoid delusional vision for the purpose of stirring crap, I'm perfectly fine with letting him play with himself. Bye, Anwar.
 
Here's a thread about why Jake (in the OP's opinion) wasn't as bad as Wes. And this has been twisted into "ALL NINERS HATE VOYAGER AND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!" And I wonder who started it?

(I might get in trouble for this next bit, but I don't care)

Anwar, shut the hell up, seriously. I've never seen a thread in the VOY forum start with, say "I think the EMH was the best Trek doctor" go to an argument about "YOU IDIOTS CAN'T APPRECIATE THE GREATNESS OF DS9's CAST!!!!!!"

YOU are the only one I have ever seen start up this crap, which makes your arguments, which already border on delusional paranoia, patently absurd.

You want to bring your opinions into the threads about what VOY fans think of DS9 or vice versa? Go right ahead! (even though I think you're kind of a loony on this point) But bringing this up in discussions like this is stupid, blatant trolling that does nothing but derail discussion. And honestly, I'm not helping by adding to it. But I wanted to get that out.

On-topic! I do kind of wish Jake was given more involvement in the show as a whole, but I'm glad he felt natural and real as a character, which is something the writers, I think, struggled with with Wes. But I think they found their footing eventually. And amazingly, one of my favorite eps was a Wes episode (The First Duty). I don't think Jake had quite the same sort of growth, but he felt way more real out the starting gate, and his progression as his father's son was very relatable.
 
Here's a thread about why Jake (in the OP's opinion) wasn't as bad as Wes. And this has been twisted into "ALL NINERS HATE VOYAGER AND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!" And I wonder who started it?

(I might get in trouble for this next bit, but I don't care)

Anwar, shut the hell up, seriously. I've never seen a thread in the VOY forum start with, say "I think the EMH was the best Trek doctor" go to an argument about "YOU IDIOTS CAN'T APPRECIATE THE GREATNESS OF DS9's CAST!!!!!!"

YOU are the only one I have ever seen start up this crap, which makes your arguments, which already border on delusional paranoia, patently absurd.

You want to bring your opinions into the threads about what VOY fans think of DS9 or vice versa? Go right ahead! (even though I think you're kind of a loony on this point) But bringing this up in discussions like this is stupid, blatant trolling that does nothing but derail discussion. And honestly, I'm not helping by adding to it. But I wanted to get that out.

On-topic! I do kind of wish Jake was given more involvement in the show as a whole, but I'm glad he felt natural and real as a character, which is something the writers, I think, struggled with with Wes. But I think they found their footing eventually. And amazingly, one of my favorite eps was a Wes episode (The First Duty). I don't think Jake had quite the same sort of growth, but he felt way more real out the starting gate, and his progression as his father's son was very relatable.

I loved Explorers because of the relationship between Jake/Ben..and it gets even deeper with THE VISITOR. If you take The Visitor into account, Jake's character grew far more than Wesley.

I never cared for wesley because he just didn't seem real...and I can totally see him being Picard's son (as was to have been revealed in Nemesis some of said) which is another problem, since I dont care for that traitor, Picard, either!

Rob
 
I'm agreed with many of the posters. Cirroc was a great actor who only kept getting better with time. Add to that some good writing which allowed for realistic parental situations, age-related mishaps and interests rather than the "it's been done already!" wunderkind-in-space annoyingness, and you've got a young character who doesn't make you want to skip over that episode on the DVD.

And "Nor the Battle to the Strong" --- what a gift of an episode, and he complimented the superb writing with superb acting.
 
How did he get away with it?

He was written as a kid that was growing up. He loved his father, but eventually sought his own way in life. And Cirroc Lofton was convincing in that role. I also thought Jake's friendship with Nog was very believable.
 
Okay, Anwar. Here is the deal.

I have had about enough of what I sincerely believe to be your borderline paranoid delusions - in this forum and in the VOY forum. I am tired of them as a mod in here...and I'm WAYYYY tired of them as a poster in VOY.

And so we are gonna have this out.

Right here.

Right now.

You are already apparently on a one-man quest to ruin the VOY forum with your constant accusations against all of these supposed (but nameless & faceless) DS9 fan VOY-haters who are 'out to get you' (your words, not mine). So here it is: I WANT THEIR NAMES.

I want you to NAME all of these hard-core DS9 fans who regularly post in this forum (thus proving they are, indeed, hard-core DS9 fans and not TNG fans, TOS fans, etc) and who are single-mindedly intent upon ruining your world and your enjoyment of VOY, because ALL they do is bitch about VOY.

And I only want the names of people who bitch MORE than the average VOY fan does. In other words, hard-core DS9 fans who post in the VOY forum regularly but who have never posted a single thing nice about VOY. EVER.

Not people who have a few complaints. Because ALL of the hard-core VOY fans I know of have 'complaints' about VOY. Just as all of the hard-core DS9 fans I know have complaints about DS9. I'm talking here about people who have never said a nice thing about VOY, and who come to the VOY forum on a regular basis to relentlessly trash VOY and to make YOUR life a living hell.

I want NAMES.

As the sole mod of this forum, I promise you will not be warned for posting the names themselves in this thread. If you go after the people with flames, that will be another story, but I want the names of all of these people who are making your life a living hell with their continuous, relentless and vindictive trashing of VOY.

And then I am gonna get Akiraprise and kimc in here and we are all gonna discuss this.

Because the shelf-life on this constant whining is WAAAAYYYY past expiry.

If the problem exists, then we need to fix it. And if it doesn't exist, then you need to knock off the whining and find someone else to blame for your misery.

Either way, I plan to fix it in this thread so that we can ALL move on with our lives and get past this endless frakkin' DRAMA.

You ran me out of the VOY forum with all of your whining and unsubstantiated accusations...but brother, you're NOT gonna run me out of here. I am putting the mofo LOCKS on the doors of the DS9 forum when they shut down this board - and there are only two people who can change that outcome: Bonz and God. And you are not either. But this current course, my friend, cannot continue.

And if you want to post in here, then you either need to knock off the endless whining about a problem that no one sees but you....or PROVE TO US THAT IT EXISTS so that we can fix it for you and you will then be able to be a happy guy once again.

What is incredible here is that I just looked you up, and you joined here in 2006. You weren't even HERE for the DS9/VOY wars, which took place (mostly between 2 DS9 fans and 2 VOY fans who stirred shit in BOTH forums - and who, not at all incidentally, are LONG gone) in 2001 and 2002. Nor were you here for the couple of years afterward, when guys like Digits, da Woim, and I were working to repair the damage and hard feelings left by these 4 people.

I, on the other hand, was here. Registered in August of 2001 after lurking for a few months and was a poster in both forums during the ENTIRE thing. Became the mod of this forum in January 2003. So I am more aware of the history here than...well, just about anyone, having been a regular poster in both forums during the war...and having been a mod of one of the forums for 7 years.

So....since you seem determined to single-handedly continue a silly unilateral (as best I can determine) internet message board war into the next DECADE if I don't do something about it, I'm gonna do something about it.

And the first step in that is NAMES.

I want to know who all of these DS9 fans are who are out to get you and who loathe VOY just that much as to spend their lives harassing you endlessly about it.

And myself and the two VOY mods are gonna sort this shit OUT.

Because hey...we run this shit. :p

Niners...if he mentions your name, please do not flame the guy. If you want, you can post links to threads in the VOY forum which illustrate that you are not, indeed, a 'hater', or you can respectfully post a more accurate depiction of your feelings toward VOY. If he posts your name and you don't even post in the VOY forum (or do not consider yourself to be a hard-core DS9 fan, for that matter) , you can say that too. But I want no personal remarks against this guy. I want him to be able to speak freely so we can all get this the hell over with. And bear in mind here that the two VOY mods (neither of whom is a particular DS9 fan, btw, so can be considered objective) will be able to speak to the issue of your supposed 'hatred' as well....and to the issue of your behavior in the VOY forum.

I am TRYING here to get this issue resolved, once and for all.

Because from the sound of the posts in here...I am not the only one who has had just about enough of the complaints of how we are intent upon ruining this guy's life. :p They either need to be substantiated and dealt with...or they need to be stopped once and for all.

And to the OP and the Cirroc Lofton fans out there....sorry to hijack your thread = you can post another one if you like. But this drama has gone on WAY too long, and is WAY too annoying to let continue any longer.

This discussion has got to be had (and is, in fact, long overdue)...and this is as good a place as any to finally get this over and done with. Because a continuation of this drama, which has now upset TWO forums, is an unacceptable course.

Thanks for your understanding.
 
I also think the moderator is wise, and have already contacted my lawyer in case I am asked to testify as a hater. She's really good, she used to work with Denny Crane.
 
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Anwar, you have just admitted to trolling the DS9 forum in order to insult its fans.

No, I simply explained why I'm less tolerant of Niners' bashings and how I'm basically treating them the way they treat us. If you think that's trolling, guess troll meant something other than what the rules say it did.

I'm currently putting together a response to the Mod. Give me a bit, please.
 
So this is what the DS9 forum looks like!

< scopes out coffee locations >

Meet Chief O'Brien. He'll get you your coffee--Jamaican blend, double strong, double sweet. :D

If you have more adventurous tastes, try raktajino. Or if you'd really like to explore new worlds and civilizations, I have some Cardassian favorites for you--red leaf tea, perhaps, for the beginner's palate. ;)
 
Okay, off the top of my head I can remember three of the VOY haters (thought thinking about people like that is damaging to the mind...): Navaros, jimbtnp2 and arguably Gotham Central. DevilEyes is almost there. I would've mentioned GhoulBen but he's changed his tune a little bit. There were others but looking at their posts they haven't posted in a long time (I scared a lot of the haters off, good. Most of them haven't posted in months).

Anyways, yeah I admit my own postings have been the main way of learning of these guys rather than their own posts for the last two months or so. Doesn't mean they don't exist though.

And as for my post history, I've been a lurker here for years. I just didn't join until 2006. So I know about the aftermath of the DS9/VOY war since I read about it and even ran into a few holdovers when I first joined.
 
Okay, off the top of my head I can remember three of the VOY haters (thought thinking about people like that is damaging to the mind...): Navaros, jimbtnp2 and arguably Gotham Central. DevilEyes is almost there.
Wow, that's quite an achievement for someone who has barely even posted in the Voyager board - except to comment on BSG and on the "can shows change cast" thread. But oh yes, I did say on this thread that I find Neelix annoying. Person who finds Neelix annoying = Voyager hater :rolleyes:
 
Thanks everyone. I appreciate your efforts and cooperation in this effort. :)

Once again, I want everyone to give the guy a chance to air his grievances in SPECIFIC terms, without flaming and without piling on. We can't fix a problem that is stated in generalities and which accuses nameless, faceless individuals of non-specific offenses.

I want to know who it is, exactly who is making this guy's life miserable...and I want to know how, exactly, these people are making it miserable. THEN we have something concrete to address.

And if it turns out that these are baseless charges (which myself and the TWO VOY mods (neither of whom is a DS9 fan) will decide based on the evidence presented) then we have something entirely different to address.

Either way, this ongoing drama has got to stop. 2010 is almost here folks...and it is an embarrassment to this board that this stupid war is even REMEMBERED at this point, let alone perpetrated - by ANYONE.

These are TV shows we are talking about here. And we REALLY do not need to be carrying around 8 year old grudges and having continuing drama over a couple of frakkin TV shows that went off the air YEARS ago!

Now...everyone play nice and let's get this over with so we can move into the next decade without this silliness lingering around in the air. And I do mean PLAY NICE. Don't make Akiraprise and I go all Trek XI Forum mod on your asses! :D

Because we can, you know. We gots skilz. :lol:
 
Doesn't mean they don't exist though.

Yes. It does. It means that very thing exactly. One of the biggest points is that this is being perpetuated by you, and only you. Unless some of the names you mention have honestly something to do with this silly rivalry or whatever one would call it.
 
Yes. It does. It means that very thing exactly. One of the biggest points is that this is being perpetuated by you, and only you. Unless some of the names you mention have honestly something to do with this silly rivalry or whatever one would call it.

Maybe I'm the only VOY fan to bother acknowledging that it happens, but it does happen even if the Niners who do it haven't bothered posting in a while once I bothered responding to them.
 
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