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How Canon is Endgame?

I see. I did think it odd at the time but then there had been no warning from my point of view. I was, however, aware of the Doctor having a bit of a thing for her though. What happened with that? Well, apparently, according to Endgame, nothing at all, so I answered my own question!
 
matt seyz

I assume it would not be going anywhere as the series was ending?


The "director" was wrong, ignorant or lying.

Human error, natural law, endgame.

That's a three episode arc in which they could have showed their romance growing, if only there was a scene in natural law to support that there was a relationship. Some thing as innocent as she's cold, and he spoons her.

By the way.

Endgame is everything.

All roads lead to end game.

Endgame is their signature, apology and job interview or their next gig.

At least it would have been if most of the people with power hadn't jumped ship for Enterprise before the final season of Voyager even began, but that's how most parents are when there's a new baby in the house.

The middle children always get screwed over completely.



How odd, I am starting to be able to understand your posts the more I read them. Your points are all well said, Admiral.
 
I see. I did think it odd at the time but then there had been no warning from my point of view. I was, however, aware of the Doctor having a bit of a thing for her though. What happened with that? Well, apparently, according to Endgame, nothing at all, so I answered my own question!
The Doctor was going to tell her he wanted to pursue a relationship with her in Someone to Watch Over Me, but she said she wasn't interested in any men on board. Seven figured out that the Doctor had the hots for her in Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy. In Renaissance Man, he did tell her that he loved her when he thought his program was going to decompile. She never reciprocated his feelings.

Then, out of nowhere, she starts shagging holo-Chakotay.
 
That's hard for a holo-Doctor to have to hear probably, the girl of his dreams not interested in anyone on the ship and then going from that to her just not caring back, only to pick another to frolic with. Ugh. Sounds like character-driven story gone horribly wrong.
 
You're all forgetting Endgame.

Seven "loves" Chakotay so much she asks the Doctor to remove her cortical implant so that the emotional limiter in there, won't kill her when she ties to bump fuzzies with her big Indian's little Indian.

The Doctor not recognizing that this is a grand gesture for some one else, sees this as an opportunity to ask Seven on a Date, because he's waited till now until she's ready which means that his patience should be rewarded with a gold medal... In his "boy" mind at least, because there's nothing that turns a woman on more than being ignored.

She rejects him.

"Oh the Chakotay hologram?" He says.

"No. The real thing."

"Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeallly".

If you wait till a woman is laying in bed, demanding that she's seen to, odd's are that she is talking to someone else. It's all about prep. Chakotay persued her even though a relationship was impossible (without surgery or the faintest interest in a relationship) and Seven had the surgery so that she could be persune by Chuckles.

Two huge gestures compared to the Doctor doing absolutely nothing until it was far too late.
 
I see. I did think it odd at the time but then there had been no warning from my point of view. I was, however, aware of the Doctor having a bit of a thing for her though. What happened with that? Well, apparently, according to Endgame, nothing at all, so I answered my own question!
She called the Doctor her mentor, so she saw him as her teacher not as a romantic interest. I think he might of only had feelings for her(like he did for Kes "Projections") because they were the only ones in his corner paying him full attention.

The way to the Doc's heart was through his ego.
However, all I think it was is just a crush.
He didn't seem the least bit saddened she was dead in "Endgame".
 
KLINGONS!!!

(Not Hirogen.)

And I don't think we were talking about modern day Klingons.

Medieval Klingons?

Humans from the 12th century were bad enough, imagine Klingons at that level of development?

From DS9:Looking for Par'Mach in all the wrong places.

QUARK: Besh besh-opar gree uchan argh. Besh opar gee urchun omaH te, te, te-doQ maugh-shta.
WORF: Enough. You say the words, but there is no feeling behind them, no passion.
QUARK: Having to learn all this Klingonese isn't helping my performance.
WORF: Do not think of it as a performance. Believe in where you are. Put yourself in this time, in this place. A thousand years ago, the dawn of the Empire, five hundred warriors storm the Great Hall at Qam-Chee. The city garrison fled before them. Only the Emperor Kahless and the Lady Lukara stood their ground. It was here that they began the greatest romance in Klingon history.
QUARK: This is ridiculous! I'm surrounded by corpses, my shoes are dripping with blood, and you want me to feel romantic? Why am I putting myself through this?
DAX: Because later that night, Kahless and Lukara jumped on each other like a pair of crazed voles. Grrr.
QUARK: Yeah? One more time.
So, yeah, if dozens of Voyagers crewmen were led to believe that they are Klingons from the days of knights on horse back, and they're separated into two opposing armies, then forced hammer and tong at one another to the death?

Sex with some wing-nut they normally wouldn't tell the time of day to, is not the worst thing they should be concerned about.

Cannibalism might be.

Well, Klingons talk a good game but, in the final analysis, we actually know a heckuva lot more about Vulcan mating than about Klingon practices. ;)
 
Well, Klingons talk a good game but, in the final analysis, we actually know a heckuva lot more about Vulcan mating than about Klingon practices. ;)
We know quite a bit about Klingons via Worf and his various escapades.

Such as, if you boff a chick you gotta get married to her (lot of shotgun weddings on Q'onoS, I'd imagine).

Klingon women roar and hurl heavy objects. Men read poetry, and duck a lot.
 
I thought Beytor wanted to use Picard's shiny forehead as a stool.

(There's a fecalphilia joke in there somewhere.)
 
Does anybody have an issue with how they wrote 7of9 into a relationship with Commander Chakotay in the final episode? Was this something that had been seen before in prior episodes? I have not seen all the last few VOYagers so that is why I ask for enlightenment.

I liked Endgame. All the actors and characters giving there opinion for what its worth, trying technology that's worth acouple pages in somebodys book. Chakotay, Seven, Janeway, Adm Janeway going headstrong until some surprising confrontation makes one important decision ultimately decide the future.
One person returns from another secondary imposed timeline(in this case a bladder) and then re-affirms herself as the former captain(in front of the captain). What will the important decision be? They still wanted to be locked-up together but not because of recent happenings.
I want every ship in range to converge on those co-ordinates now.
 
Does anybody have an issue with how they wrote 7of9 into a relationship with Commander Chakotay in the final episode? Was this something that had been seen before in prior episodes? I have not seen all the last few VOYagers so that is why I ask for enlightenment.

I liked Endgame. All the actors and characters giving there opinion for what its worth, trying technology that's worth acouple pages in somebodys book. Chakotay, Seven, Janeway, Adm Janeway going headstrong until some surprising confrontation makes one important decision ultimately decide the future.
One person returns from another secondary imposed timeline(in this case a bladder) and then re-affirms herself as the former captain(in front of the captain). What will the important decision be? They still wanted to be locked-up together but not because of recent happenings.
I want every ship in range to converge on those co-ordinates now.


I was following your post but that last line about "they still wanted to be locked-up" kind of lost me. Care to elaborate some?
 
it's good luck to break a clavical on their wedding night?

In the fan series "Hidden Frontier" they go so as to say that Klingon penises are ridged.
 
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