Doctor Who isn't Star Trek.
How can future shows retcon the errors of Star Trek Picard?
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Yes, saving lives is a good thing, using those tech for "Good Purposes" is "Good" for the bigger picture of life.
Doesn't mean we don't use it. I'm not afraid to use it on a mass scale and see society progress to use it on a mass scale.
Imagine how much better if Murders were far easier to solve. If lives could be saved via Time Travel.
You won't have to see families suffer through the sadness of losing a loved one due to murder, accidents, mishaps, tragedies.
If you were living in that world, where all this tech could exist to help your life.
Would you want some Government Bureaucrat / Public Servant to say that you can't get your loved ones back?
That because of ___ reason, we can't put in any effort to get ___ loved one back because of ___ reason?
How would you feel if you were that person?
No it isn't, but it's a show all about Time Travel.
Doctor Who is very rarely about time travel. Often times, it's about the adventures the Doctor and companions getting into adventures with time travel just bein the mode of transport. It wasn't until Steven Moffat took over in 2010 the show actually became about time travel.
Which is when the show started catching my interest.
When Doctor Who in the past was only about local problems in local time, it didn't make for a interesting show.
It was only when they were allowed to time travel through Time & Space in the modern era where modern production values allowed it, did it become a show that I started to like or even care about.
Before, it was just there. Another legendary show with a legendary long franchise.
Yes. After all, they are vetted and trusted. Not like us lowly plebes.
Which is fine. Keep time travel out of Trek.
You think so little of us "Plebs".
Unlikely given how many episodes of Trek are about Time Travel.
And Picard S2 seems to feature EVEN MORE time travel.
ST: Prodigy seems to have some time travel in it's core plot.
DISCO already had time travel.
Nope.
Are we talking about the same BTTF that had
1.) Marty almost accidentally erasing himself from existence because his mom fell in love with him,
2.) Doc Brown alluding to severe consequences stemming from you interacting with your past or future self (as your past self can have a heart attack and die), and
3.) Old Biff stealing the Grays Sports Almanac and giving to his 1955 self that led to the United States becoming a crime-ridden dystopia with Richard Nixon being in his 5th term?
Yeah, sure, it's a great, positive portrayal of time travel as something that's useful and would enrich humanity. I've loved the trilogy as a kid, but I never pretended it didn't portray time travel as anything other than something too dangerous to meddle with.
You're criticizing others for being risk averse...while consistently displaying an obsession with preventing anything bad from ever happening. Can you not see the irony in this?
In the end, Marty & his family ended their adventures by being better off than where they started.
Because there's a middle ground and shades of gray between the extreme ends that you're proposing.
Completely Allowing Willy Nilly Time Travel without any restriction and No Time Travel, ever again.
I prefer controlled / regulated time travel for good use.
Then there's using Telepathy arbitrarily without any restrictors and Never using it ever again because you're afraid of the liberties you'll lose.
There's always a middle ground. You might not see it, but I see it.
Life isn't Binary, it isn't Yes/No.
There is plenty of room in between to come to a acceptable solution.
I really enjoy time travel stories for the most part. Many of my favorite scifi stories have time travel components, but I don’t think it being used as a way to undo death in Star Trek, or most stories in general, is a good idea at all.
Time travel used as a magic undo button, as others have pointed out already, robs a story of any drama, and can undermine any sense of consequence, permanence, or finality in a world where people are continually but selectively hitting a rewind button.
It’s not a viable system for any kind of scifi setting. And any time travel story worth a damn acknowledges that erasing and re-erasing, and re-re-erasing events would turn the fabric of time itself into Swiss cheese, and treat such behavior as a cautionary tale, not an everyday practice.
Death happens, tragedy happens, and a scifi society not using time travel to circumvent it isn’t a matter of not using technology to its fullest potential, it’s using, or refraining from using it responsibly by recognizing the limits of being finite beings with finite lifespans.
Time travel used as a magic undo button, as others have pointed out already, robs a story of any drama, and can undermine any sense of consequence, permanence, or finality in a world where people are continually but selectively hitting a rewind button.
It’s not a viable system for any kind of scifi setting. And any time travel story worth a damn acknowledges that erasing and re-erasing, and re-re-erasing events would turn the fabric of time itself into Swiss cheese, and treat such behavior as a cautionary tale, not an everyday practice.
Death happens, tragedy happens, and a scifi society not using time travel to circumvent it isn’t a matter of not using technology to its fullest potential, it’s using, or refraining from using it responsibly by recognizing the limits of being finite beings with finite lifespans.
None of which has been argued in this thread. It's been accept it or go to hel...neo Luddites colony.
I've literally watched entire shows where a persons main ability/super power is the Ground Hog day's ability.
Where they can change the course of their timeline thanks to the ability to save scumm their way through time.
It makes for a fascinating and entertaining show.
I'm not the one saying to "NEVER, EVER, USE those two techs ever again!". You guys are.
I'm not the one condemning another person who wants to see more usage of Telepathy and Time Travel.
I'm Pro Telepathy & Time Travel in intelligent / regulated usage for the greater good.
The only advocacy for the tech is to use it in the invasion of privacy. I object to that strongly. And since no compromise was offered it became binary.
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Just because I don't think aggressively editing the timeline to achieve my preferred outcome is good use, it doesn't mean I don't think regulated time travel can exist in sci-fi. It just cannot aim to change history. Go back, observe and learn, that I can totally see happening in an optimistic sci-fi, especially if we allow the dramatic exaggeration of "as long as you stay beneath notice, you won't change the timeline". Not allowing to change the past does not mean a blanket ban on time travel.
Your ideas on telepathy seem to hinge on it appearing as a distinct minority in existing populations like with a specific gene in Babylon 5, leading to the society in question regulating those members that show the ability, and where telepaths are a distinct minority in every other alien society as well, regulated in their own ways. Even this kind of regulation is discriminatory, as it reduces a minority to second-class citizens simply because of their genetics, just like it did on Babylon 5. The only way I wouldn't consider it discrimination would be if telepathy was instead achieved by devices that people like members of the military were trained to use.
Whereas in Star Trek, you have entire species that are telepathic. Enacting any kind of legal restriction that applies to people based on their species is literal racism which I can never ever see the Federation condoning.
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Show me where I proposed either.
Show me where I said anything about that.
Strawman much?
That I disagree, it wasn't used willy nilly. I limited it to whom it can target since I stated the problem came in the form of government/military officials.
But you didn't think that was restrictive enough, so I added in more restrictions like needing a proper judge approved warrant for it's use.
I'm not asking to change "Pre-Time Travel Era History" or Critical Points in time without thought on the consequences.
But personal changes in your miniscule personal lives should be allowed to some degree with regulation and monitoring.
And any serious changes, like the "Attack on Utopia Planetia / Mars" will be carefully thought out.
Having the UFP ban AI / Androids / Synths was a black stain in UFP history, and I don't think the writers did the right thing by allowing that to happen.
I will to fix that in my Head Canon.
In humanity, Telepathy or any Psionic powers are incredibly rare.
Short of you crossing the Galactic Barrier and gaining Psionic Powers, or being genetically engineered to have it since birth, most of humanity doesn't have those powers.
Even then, I have no intention of reducing anybody with any special abilities to be second class citizens.
Everybody will be the same class citizens.
There will be no discrimination just because you have extra special powers.
Superman would be welcomed in my UFP and not have to hide his identity under a civilian Alias.
I wouldn't allow that to happen in my Head Cannon.
The biggest black mark IMO was the ban on AI / Androids / Synths.
That's not what the UFP is about.
If it wasn't you, then it was somebody else.
My bad if I mis attributed those opinions to you specifically.
Because it was still all access to the mind. No protection, and if you didn't want to be scanned time travel was threatened to up end a person's whole life. Thats not freedom.
Saving lives is an important job. I'm intent on saving them.
You may not want to save those lost lives, but I am hell bent to bring them back.
The UFP / StarFleet has a Moral Imperative to save lives.
I intend on having them do so, at nearly any cost.
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