How big was the Enterprise?
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Here is an article where Doug Drexler talks about recreating the model look for Star Trek Continues. Interestingly he talks about lens distortion being an issue. Hmmm...
https://trekmovie.com/2013/05/14/do...-to-star-trek-continues-exclusive-first-look/
https://trekmovie.com/2013/05/14/do...-to-star-trek-continues-exclusive-first-look/
IIRC, 134" - 11' 2"
286m or 288.6m? I just need to be sureI obviously don't know every version of every TOS Enterprise realized in 3D but I think Vektor set a lot of baselines that have been echoed in lots of other "modern" takes on the TOS ship. It was a significant effort in a well trafficked community at the time.
I know for myself I STILL find myself finding other things to do so that I don't copy Vektor. His TOS drydock is genius.
Oh, and it's a 286m long ship.
Has anyone ever scaled the Enterprise based on the only thing that we ever saw next to a real person: The shuttle and the shuttle deck?
I know the shuttle deck model is (almost certainly) distorted front to back, sure. But top to bottom it has to be in scale with the shuttle. So that tells you how tall the doors are. And I don't care if you use the scale of the full size prop or the stated size of the shuttle in dialog. (I'd be curious to do both just to see what different sizes we'd get.) I'm more leery about using the interior shuttle set, but I'd have to accept it if someone did.
I would imagine we'd get a much bigger ship. I don't know if we'd get a SNW ship. (Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it would be bigger. Wouldn't that be a kick in the head?)
The biggest reason that I don't take it seriously when people say "The ship HAS to be bigger to realistically fit what we saw on screen" is because SNW went and made the ship bigger... and then went and made the SETS bigger too! So maybe the SNW Enterprise could more comfortably fit the TOS sets. But I'm almost certain that it couldn't fit the SNW sets! (That SNW shuttle deck seems ALMOST as big as TAS!)
Maybe I'm hanging out on the wrong corners of the internet, but I don't see the same kind of passion for deconstructing these kinds of details on new stuff as on the old. 1) Because certain hire ups seem to fire that kind of person and 2) because nobody wants to try and make sense of that preposterous shuttle deck.
(I am very fond of many of the SNW sets. I want to live there. I haven't said that since TWOK.)
I know the shuttle deck model is (almost certainly) distorted front to back, sure. But top to bottom it has to be in scale with the shuttle. So that tells you how tall the doors are. And I don't care if you use the scale of the full size prop or the stated size of the shuttle in dialog. (I'd be curious to do both just to see what different sizes we'd get.) I'm more leery about using the interior shuttle set, but I'd have to accept it if someone did.
I would imagine we'd get a much bigger ship. I don't know if we'd get a SNW ship. (Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it would be bigger. Wouldn't that be a kick in the head?)
The biggest reason that I don't take it seriously when people say "The ship HAS to be bigger to realistically fit what we saw on screen" is because SNW went and made the ship bigger... and then went and made the SETS bigger too! So maybe the SNW Enterprise could more comfortably fit the TOS sets. But I'm almost certain that it couldn't fit the SNW sets! (That SNW shuttle deck seems ALMOST as big as TAS!)
Maybe I'm hanging out on the wrong corners of the internet, but I don't see the same kind of passion for deconstructing these kinds of details on new stuff as on the old. 1) Because certain hire ups seem to fire that kind of person and 2) because nobody wants to try and make sense of that preposterous shuttle deck.
(I am very fond of many of the SNW sets. I want to live there. I haven't said that since TWOK.)
According to the guy who built it, it's not. It was built at a scale of 1" = 1' from a drawing using a scale of 1/8" = 1':
Relevant TrekBBS post with quote here.
I keep asking that question too. I'd take it on but it would require mastering Blender's clunky interface, which I find counterintuitive to me in the extreme.
Yes, I built one scaled on a 22' shuttle. If you took the side observation rooms out and tweaked the alcoves it will fit in a 947'. (This would be fun to revisit though.)
Actually the shuttle deck model is not distorted at all. The overall shape does follow the exterior.
If the shuttle is scaled up to 24' the flight deck would most likely be larger than what the engineering hull could fit. And if you scale by the shuttle interior that would increase the shuttle to 29' and the flight deck gets even larger.
The biggest difference is that in SNW we have a reverse shot looking into the shuttlebay interior from the exterior. So we know how the SNW shuttlebay scales with the SNW Enterprise and more importantly that it fits. We don't have that for TOS Original FX.
First off, thanks @blssdwlf and @BK613.
I'm going from memory on a wonderfully relaxed day where I'm not looking anything up, but I seem to recall most of the hangars that I have seen that "fit" that the shuttle comes at LEAST to the bottom of the observation structures if not a little higher. But on screen the shuttle is quite a bit shorter.
My opinion is that (except for SNW and JJ09) none of the shuttle decks we have seen have the same sense of size that the show did.
Well, it fits what we see, sure. But does it fit given the dimensions new or otherwise that we are given for the ship?
I'm totally eyeballing / guessing but I know that their shuttlecraft are really big and that's a very spacious hangar. So how big does that make the ship?
I'm going from memory on a wonderfully relaxed day where I'm not looking anything up, but I seem to recall most of the hangars that I have seen that "fit" that the shuttle comes at LEAST to the bottom of the observation structures if not a little higher. But on screen the shuttle is quite a bit shorter.
My opinion is that (except for SNW and JJ09) none of the shuttle decks we have seen have the same sense of size that the show did.
Well, it fits what we see, sure. But does it fit given the dimensions new or otherwise that we are given for the ship?
I'm totally eyeballing / guessing but I know that their shuttlecraft are really big and that's a very spacious hangar. So how big does that make the ship?
This is a rough guess. There are differences between this model (what I could immediately find) and the one in the series so my guess will not be accurate. Based on a shuttle with 25' Interior width and eyeballing a shuttle exit the SNW Enterprise my guess is the ship is closer to 711m. If anyone else has better models and wants to take a shot at it...
Of course if SNW is taking a TOS approach then the SNW Enterprise is 442m and the shuttle interior is the one that is larger on the inside
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That puts it in the neighborhood of the JJ ship and larger than the Galaxy class, yes?
Yes. But keep in mind that this is a rough guess with plenty of room for interpretation.
For the size of the TOS Enterprise, it hasn't been spoken of or specifically shown in the series but the TOS Shuttle was described as 24' in dialogue. The TOS Enterprise has room to grow but the shuttle technically should stay at 24' even though the shuttle interior appears bigger on the inside.
In SNW it is the opposite where the SNW Enterprise's size of 442m is on a visible dedication plaque but the SNW Shuttle size hasn't been spoken or shown (AFAIK). The SNW shuttle interior width is from the size given in the SNW ADG Awards Submission document but I am not aware of it being mentioned or shown on screen. The SNW Enterprise stays fixed in size and the SNW shuttle could be resized down to fit...
YMMV
But anyone who has better models of the SNW Enterprise and Shuttle should probably have a better estimate than me in this instance.
I would argue not because this was before anything was firmly established. By the time the show went to series and began being aired the larger size was already established.
When Polar Lights designed their TOS shuttlecraft model kit, Gary Kerr did a lot of figuring on how to get the interior set into a viable exterior, and he came up with, IIRC, a 29-foot vehicle. That's not too much larger than Kirk's 24' quote. And in my head-canon, Kirk was thinking of the interior cabin space when he sad 24'.
Well, VOY's S5 episode "Extreme Risk" showed the design and construction of the Delta Flyer, and it was rebuilt at the start of S7 (lost in the S6 finale). This solves the riddle of Voyager's endless shuttles - they rebuild them when lost. Now, here's the real question. Presumably, Voyager has at least 2 of those small speedboat-looking shuttles, 2 of the boxy shuttles, the Delta Flyer, and Neelix's shuttle - the Baxial. Whenever we see the inside of the shuttlebay, it's always empty or just one shuttle. Where did they all go?
When I made my 3D model of the TOS shuttlecraft I came up with a 27ft and change exterior because I tightened up the interior cabin a bit. Interestingly, and by accident. the length of the exterior without the nacelles or rear landing strut was about 24ft.When Polar Lights designed their TOS shuttlecraft model kit, Gary Kerr did a lot of figuring on how to get the interior set into a viable exterior, and he came up with, IIRC, a 29-foot vehicle. That's not too much larger than Kirk's 24' quote. And in my head-canon, Kirk was thinking of the interior cabin space when he sad 24'.
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