Hollow Pursuits
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Humanity is supposed to be evolved beyond such things in the 24th century and it is a Starfleet vessel so I'd like to think Barclay being way too into the holodeck is a rarity rather than the norm. I can't imagine a scenario in which 24th century humans or indeed Starfleet officers would frolick naked with holograms.
That doesn't mean 24th century aliens wouldn't. Just take a look at Quark's holosuite on DS9. I'm surprised he could get anyone to go in there without fumigating the place after a session of Vulcan Love Slave.
That doesn't mean 24th century aliens wouldn't. Just take a look at Quark's holosuite on DS9. I'm surprised he could get anyone to go in there without fumigating the place after a session of Vulcan Love Slave.
We don't know what humanity is supposed to have evolved beyond. Prudishness, perhaps? Or the need to declare some addictions undesirable while catering for others? Poking into others' private lives for entertainment?
Worf suffers from a nudity taboo in ST:NEM. Is that a Klingon thing? Hard to imagine. Is it a Neo-Belorussian thing? Or just a Worf thing?
Who else has been uncomfortable without clothes in public? Any of the humans? Riker ought to have gotten used to it already - or was that the reason he dumped Troi some time before TNG? Data can probably fake it, but is that the reason he chose to wear Kivas Fajo's clothes? Picard doesn't appear bothered. Wesley? No examples come to mind. LaForge? As said, X-ray vision. Crusher? Pulaski? O'Brien?
Timo Saloniemi
You clearly missed the episode where Captain Picard announced it was Naked Tuesday and everyone cheered.
I would be less concerned with nudity in the holodeck than I would be of someone in there acting out some kind of revenge fantasy on one of their superiors.
I mean there is that dark moment in everyone's daydream when we entertain the idea of giving someone a good smack down. We wouldn't do it in real life of course because we are civilized but still....it would cross our mind. If nothing else you could give your nemesis a good beat down in the boxing ring.
I mean there is that dark moment in everyone's daydream when we entertain the idea of giving someone a good smack down. We wouldn't do it in real life of course because we are civilized but still....it would cross our mind. If nothing else you could give your nemesis a good beat down in the boxing ring.
As an aside, I wonder what the effect on the mind would be if we really had such opportunities to give "reality" to our innermost thoughts. Vaporizing cars in rush-hour traffic, taking down your boss in a single punch, making love all might with the the person who wouldn't go out with you for dinner last week. There's a reason all that stuff usually stays inside, silenced by layers of social shielding... But what would happen if we could really play out those fantasies?
How much can the human race evolve between 2015 and 2360ish... that's about 350 years. I would guess that the sexual side wouldn't change much in that time, holodeck would be a convenient place to please basic urges...
What would be wrong with that? Holodeck characters are all puppets of the computer. When you speak to a hologram you are speaking to the computer. Geordi didn't seem worried in the least by Data repeatedly snapping the necks of holo-borgie.
Using the holodeck to screw your supervisor, followed by torture and dismemberment (and then more screwing), might be a standard holo-fantasy.
It's good to let things out.
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I suppose. Unless its your neck that's getting snapped which I would imagine would be disturbing even if its only a holo version of you.
I'm sure it would.
jim-jean-ben
Lieutenant Junior Grade
A good ep. BUt one thing i've always thought....clearlhy Barclay had some Autistic condition. So as Starfleet has medical skills even other species envy, they had no counselling to provide him? Or does only the E-D have a counsellor capable of treating such a condition, in thousands of vessels and dozens of starbases? In an org as advanced and complex as Starfleet, seems odd he would fall under the cracks.
It's weird though that Dwight Schulz's personality is similar to Barclay's, well his mannerisms anyhow. Not saying he as ASD, no. but then just seems weird.
It's weird though that Dwight Schulz's personality is similar to Barclay's, well his mannerisms anyhow. Not saying he as ASD, no. but then just seems weird.
jim-jean-ben
Lieutenant Junior Grade
I believe he did, he had many of the symptoms.....but then nice to see how some Web stranger cannot express his opinion haha.
I like Barclay and this episode. It obviously has to do with the dangers of holodeck technology making fantasies too real (virtual reality allegory, maybe), but I think another way to look at this would be in the vein of "Lower Decks," that is that Troi, Riker, Picard, Crusher, et. al. are an exclusive clique at the apex of the pecking order.
Aside from Riker, I think LaForge also comes across as really having it in for him, and I think Barlcay, odd behavior aside, feels like maybe he's just not accepted. That probably makes his nervousness and self-consciousness much worse. I don't think he's autistic, btw.
Aside from Riker, I think LaForge also comes across as really having it in for him, and I think Barlcay, odd behavior aside, feels like maybe he's just not accepted. That probably makes his nervousness and self-consciousness much worse. I don't think he's autistic, btw.
jim-jean-ben
Lieutenant Junior Grade
He had sensory issues. Didn't understand others' motives, couldn't make small talk, and felt more accustomed to being alone. ASD traits imho......and was very smart, even without that centre of the galaxy brain probe.
You can have all those symptoms, and not be autistic. You can express none of those symptoms, and still be autistic. Autism is not what Hollywood presents it as, and I would say that - in the absence of any statement of intent from the people creating the character - the statement 'Anti-social and intelligent behaviour! Therefore, autistic!' is problematic.
However, people simply saying they disagree with you is not the same thing 'stopping some web stranger from expressing his opinion.'
I'd also like to know where it was that Barclay expressed any sort of unusual sensory issues.
However, people simply saying they disagree with you is not the same thing 'stopping some web stranger from expressing his opinion.'
I'd also like to know where it was that Barclay expressed any sort of unusual sensory issues.
In the 1980s, they would have put Barclay in a facility...but his friends would have broken him out every week because they needed him to fly the plane.
And this is exactly why I do like the episode & Barclay introduction, despite the holodeck protocols issue it raised, that goes unanswered
Barclay (& Ro too) weren't introduced just to have characters with flaws on board. They also served the purpose of highlighting the pre-existing flaws in the established characters, the chief most among them is what would happen on a ship where everyone knows they are the best officers in the fleet? Elitism. There's a fine line between pushing people to be the best, & bullying. Here we get to see instances where our main cast are objectionable, or aren't always in top form, & that makes the drama better
You know, I hadn't thought about it that way... But now that I'm considering it, I do like the idea very much. Of course, I always viewed the characters as being "only human" (in spite of Roddenbury's quest for the perfect person), but I'd never considered then to behave as "elite." But I agree. Thanks for giving me something to think about.
You're welcome. In a weird way, it became one of Riker's most defining characteristics. He often pulls rank on Ro, he's judgmental of Lavelle in Lower Decks, & has a very hard time with a new captain in Chain of Command. Compared to season 1 & 2 Riker, he's very elitist
The charactrer development on TNG is very subtle like that imho
The charactrer development on TNG is very subtle like that imho
