(HMS) Surprise! Crowe to return as Jack Aubrey?

[Reverend]

Truly, only the naval battles (primarily those which we won), the defense of Baltimore, the burning of Washington, and the Battle of New Orleans tend to be mentioned in our classes on the history of the war. (Too, New England's ill-fated attempt at succession - their messenger arrived only just after news of both peace and the victory at New Orleans reach Washington - is sometimes made light of.)

Interesting. With the exception of the burning of Washington, we tend to learn more about things like General Sir Isaac Brock and Tecumseh, the Battle of Queenston Heights and Lundy's Lane, and the burning of York. Generally the defence of the Niagara Peninsula tends to get the most coverage.

Interesting how different the two perspectives on one war are.

(There's also, of course, the persistent mythologizing of this war in Canada. The way we talk about it, you'd think every Canadian personally marched down to Washington and burned the White House down themselves.)

All I remember being taught about that period is: "We over taxed, they rebelled, they beat us, we turned around and kicked Boney's arse." I don't know what the curriculum at schools is like these days, but I dare say we have allot more local history to cover than they do in the US or Canada, so it's understandable that the text books breeze past the odd minor footnote.
I do find it odd however how that era and the people has already been so mythologised by yanks in general. Seriously, what has telling porkies got to do with cherry trees?

And they have to bring Killick back, too! I don't care about Billy Boyd. I still say he was wrong, wrong, wrong for Bonden.

Absolutely, Killick was brilliant. Though after a quick read of the synopsis on wikipedia, it looks like the next one in more of a courtroom drama type film, so I'm not sure how much of the cast will be needed to come back at all.

 

[John Clark]

All I remember being taught about that period is: "We over taxed, they rebelled, they beat us, we turned around and kicked Boney's arse." I don't know what the curriculum at schools is like these days, but I dare say we have allot more local history to cover than they do in the US or Canada, so it's understandable that the text books breeze past the odd minor footnote.

I didn't even get that in the 80s
For our options in history, We did the social economic history of the UK of the 1700-1900s and even the Peninsula War hardly got mentioned.

Uptil the options, it was the standard Roman Empire, Kings and Queens of the UK and more local history uptil about 1939.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Truly, only the naval battles (primarily those which we won), the defense of Baltimore, the burning of Washington, and the Battle of New Orleans tend to be mentioned in our classes on the history of the war. (Too, New England's ill-fated attempt at succession - their messenger arrived only just after news of both peace and the victory at New Orleans reach Washington - is sometimes made light of.)

Interesting. With the exception of the burning of Washington, we tend to learn more about things like General Sir Isaac Brock and Tecumseh, the Battle of Queenston Heights and Lundy's Lane, and the burning of York. Generally the defence of the Niagara Peninsula tends to get the most coverage.

Ten years ago, I was on the campus of the Naval Academy in Annapolis. In Mahan Hall, the flags hauled down off British ships in the War of 1812 were framed and hanging on the walls. And the truly impressive flag on the wall? The flag that flew over the Governor's Mansion in York that was hauled down when the American army burned the city. It's an absolutely gorgeous flag, and I'm glad that I got to see it.

What most Americans don't realize is that the burning of Washington was done in retaliation for the burning of York. If you go to Fort McHenry and watch the presentation on the burning of Washington and the shelling of the fort, the American campaign of 1813 goes completely unmentioned.

I've toyed with thoughts of an alternate history in which the Duke of Wellington took command of British forces in North America. He was offered command in 1814 and declined; he thought the whole venture was pointless.

One book on the period I would recommend -- President Theodore Roosevelt wrote a history of the naval war, entitled The Naval War of 1812. The subject may seem dry, but Roosevelt makes for a gripping narrator. His accounts of the Battles of Lake Champlain and Lake Erie are top-notch.

 

[Kira's Mom]

And they have to bring Killick back, too! I don't care about Billy Boyd. I still say he was wrong, wrong, wrong for Bonden.

Absolutely, Killick was brilliant. Though after a quick read of the synopsis on wikipedia, it looks like the next one in more of a courtroom drama type film, so I'm not sure how much of the cast will be needed to come back at all.

I'm sure Reverse of the Medal will just be a title, and the movie will be cobbled from several books like the first was.

They sure killed off a lot of the cast from the first one. But they have to at least bring back Pullings and Mowett!

 

[Canadave]

Truly, only the naval battles (primarily those which we won), the defense of Baltimore, the burning of Washington, and the Battle of New Orleans tend to be mentioned in our classes on the history of the war. (Too, New England's ill-fated attempt at succession - their messenger arrived only just after news of both peace and the victory at New Orleans reach Washington - is sometimes made light of.)

Interesting. With the exception of the burning of Washington, we tend to learn more about things like General Sir Isaac Brock and Tecumseh, the Battle of Queenston Heights and Lundy's Lane, and the burning of York. Generally the defence of the Niagara Peninsula tends to get the most coverage.

Ten years ago, I was on the campus of the Naval Academy in Annapolis. In Mahan Hall, the flags hauled down off British ships in the War of 1812 were framed and hanging on the walls. And the truly impressive flag on the wall? The flag that flew over the Governor's Mansion in York that was hauled down when the American army burned the city. It's an absolutely gorgeous flag, and I'm glad that I got to see it.

Neat. The Canadian War Museum here in Ottawa actually has the uniform tunic that General Brock was shot in at the Battle of Queenston Heights on display. You can actually see the hole where he was shot... it's creepy and fascinating at the same time

What most Americans don't realize is that the burning of Washington was done in retaliation for the burning of York. If you go to Fort McHenry and watch the presentation on the burning of Washington and the shelling of the fort, the American campaign of 1813 goes completely unmentioned.

Yeah, this is something that always gets covered in school. The Americans burned York, therefore we (the British) went and burned Washington in retaliation.

I've toyed with thoughts of an alternate history in which the Duke of Wellington took command of British forces in North America. He was offered command in 1814 and declined; he thought the whole venture was pointless.

I've always thought the War of 1812 is vastly under explored by alternate history writers. There are lots of things that could have given the war wider implications, like if the Americans had fought a better campaign in 1812 and not been repelled from the Niagara region. Or if Brock hadn't been shot, and the British held onto a commander with his strategic vision. Or especially if the British had decided to go for an all-out campaign in 1814, since there's a very good chance they could have very quickly conquered much of the USA with all those troops freed up from fighting Napoleon.

 

[Emher]

Do hope it happens since M&C is one of the best movies of the last ten years.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Hopefully they change the setting to something more interesting like World War 1 or 2. Wooden ships are so passe.

 

[auntiehill]

I would love to see a sequel to Master and Commander. It was both an intelligent drama and an exciting action piece as well.