High Word Coun At Last

[Amaris]

This is the perfect opportunity to show the first page of my latest book WRITTEN BY MY OWN HAND (or a reasonable facsimile thereof)!

Impressed by the verbosity and by that very standard, excellence of the book, aren't you?

J.

 

[Balthier the Great]

well, the verboseness of a script does not neccesarily correlate to the quality of the internal contents. A person of lacksidasical talent could easily say very little in a large, verbose section of dialogue. However, unless the man's thoughts are as heavy as the script he has written, I feel that the supreme effort Abrams has made in writing the script is wasted on producing verbal diarea of very little substance. I care little about whether the script is literally weighty. I on;y desire that the substance of the thought behind the alleged tome is weighty in the figurative sense.

 

[cultcross]

STARTREK11 said:
I also would prefer Shatner to talk a lot as it's his last chance to talk as Captain Kirk.

subtle. I take it we're supposed to fall head over heels in excitement at how you know this exclusive piece of information?

 

[Therin of Andor]

STARTREK11 said:
The source says he saw the script in Abrams hand when Abrams came to a meeting with the production staff,and it was quite thick when he compared it's thickness to previous script thicknesses.

Maybe he was carrying two identical copies of the script?

 

[Jack Bauer]

The script is huge because there's just one word per page. It's part of Paramount's Anti-Green campaign.

 

[STARTREK11]

Therin of Andor said:

STARTREK11 said:
The source says he saw the script in Abrams hand when Abrams came to a meeting with the production staff,and it was quite thick when he compared it's thickness to previous script thicknesses.

Maybe he was carrying two identical copies of the script?

Abrams would not carry 2 copies of the same script as it would pose a security risk.Further questioning of my source indicate it was just one script as no boundary layer was perceptible to him if he had been carrying 2 scripts.

As an example if you are carrying 2 or more separate bundles and each bundle is self contained and then you stack the bundles together you will see that it is 2 separate bundles but each bundle will be seen to be distinct.

If you stack together 2 identical books and carry them in your hand you will clearly see it is 2 separate books and not just 1 large book.This is what leads my source to be convinced it will be a complex,high word density script.

Also if you look at Abram's "Lost",you will notice a lot of talking exposition,interaction,conversation,angst,and multi-layered sub-plots leading to a further paradigm of discourse.His previous work supports this deduction.

This will mean a different and much more challenging plot for Star Trek 11.

 

[Joker]

STARTREK11 said:
Also if you look at Abram's "Lost",you will notice a lot of talking exposition,interaction,conversation,angst,and multi-layered sub-plots leading to a further paradigm of discourse.His previous work supports this deduction.

This will mean a different and much more challenging plot for Star Trek 11.

Will the Enterprise crash on an island? Will Scotty start off fat, and never lose weight? Will Pike magically regain the use of his legs?

 

[xortex]

The script 'Finding Nemoy' is thick because it's all non stop action and very little talking.

 

[cultcross]

STARTREK11 said:

Also if you look at Abram's "Lost",you will notice a lot of talking exposition,interaction,conversation,angst,and multi-layered sub-plots leading to a further paradigm of discourse.His previous work supports this deduction.

This will mean a different and much more challenging plot for Star Trek 11.

"paradigm of discourse" haha, you love your thesaurus doncha? We picked apart 'my friend at ILM' so he became 'my source'. We made fun of 'verbose' so it became a 'paradigm of discourse'.
I'm really enjoying your threads.

Anyway, back to the topic - i really, really hope this script is nothing like Lost - his annoying concept that any answer leads to 50 more questions, that nothing is ever resolved, that a plot is only good if it has impenetrable and increasingly ridiculous levels of depth and mystery would not work well for a 'general audience' aimed brand new Star Trek movie. The absolute last thing we need is the crew sitting aroudn giving long exposition speeches and introducing ever more minute pieces of backstory.
This movie needs to be accessible, fast paced and easy to follow for a non-fan whilst still being an intelligent story and having a bit of the spirit of the show as it was pre- the B&B 'formula'. It needs to work crowd pleasing action and other elements of big draw movies around a plot with a really strong basis. It can be done, and I'd really like to believe Abrahms has the writing chops to do it.

 

[Gepard]

occultcross said:
Anyway, back to the topic - i really, really hope this script is nothing like Lost - his annoying concept that any answer leads to 50 more questions, that nothing is ever resolved, that a plot is only good if it has impenetrable and increasingly ridiculous levels of depth and mystery would not work well for a 'general audience' aimed brand new Star Trek movie. The absolute last thing we need is the crew sitting aroudn giving long exposition speeches and introducing ever more minute pieces of backstory.
This movie needs to be accessible, fast paced and easy to follow for a non-fan whilst still being an intelligent story and having a bit of the spirit of the show as it was pre- the B&B 'formula'. It needs to work crowd pleasing action and other elements of big draw movies around a plot with a really strong basis. It can be done, and I'd really like to believe Abrahms has the writing chops to do it.

I hear what you're saying and understand where you're coming from. However, reality often is messy and complex, with few easy answers, and not everyone who works in Hollywood feels that the "general public" is incapable of following a similarly complex storyline. There is ample opportunity in Star Trek to combine both your mentioned approaches and blend action and adventure with a layered plotline.

Nevertheless, if you could elaborate on what aspects of Abrams' style you find "annying" and how you might fix them, I would be most interested to hear it.

 

[Kegek]

STARTREK11 said:
Also if you look at Abram's "Lost",you will notice a lot of talking exposition,interaction,conversation,angst,and multi-layered sub-plots leading to a further paradigm of discourse.His previous work supports this deduction.

Hold on. You're saying a series of conversations will lead to a complete rejection of an earlier worldview as a new theory becomes dominant?

God, if there's one thing I really, really hate about Kuhn, it's that his paradigms became so popular the word was abused to the point it lost all meaning.

Anyway, I'll remind you Abrams didn't write this script. Orci & Kurtzmann did. I don't know what Abrams is like - unfamiliar with his work - but literate, witty and intelligent scripts are not, insofar as I am aware, produced by these gentlemen.

 

[Woulfe]

Thick Script ?

That just means all these cameos that keep poping up with so and so and shuch and shuch being in the film rumors are true and they all have speaking lines to boot !

Or it's a 3 hour plus film.....

 

[cultcross]

Gep Malakai said:
I hear what you're saying and understand where you're coming from. However, reality often is messy and complex, with few easy answers, and not everyone who works in Hollywood feels that the "general public" is incapable of following a similarly complex storyline. There is ample opportunity in Star Trek to combine both your mentioned approaches and blend action and adventure with a layered plotline.

Oh I'm not worried about a complex storyline - in fact, given the number of characters confirmed for the film it's gonna need to be. And I would applaud an intelligent science fiction story, possibly not with a nice wrapped up happy ending. What I was saying was that this was taken to such extremes on Lost that it just got ridiculous and lost interest and suspense because it became obvious that nothing, ever, was going to be revealed without 50 more mysteries being generated. My point is that there is a difference between intelligent complexity and verbose density.

 

[Gepard]

cultcross said:

Gep Malakai said:
I hear what you're saying and understand where you're coming from. However, reality often is messy and complex, with few easy answers, and not everyone who works in Hollywood feels that the "general public" is incapable of following a similarly complex storyline. There is ample opportunity in Star Trek to combine both your mentioned approaches and blend action and adventure with a layered plotline.

Oh I'm not worried about a complex storyline - in fact, given the number of characters confirmed for the film it's gonna need to be. And I would applaud an intelligent science fiction story, possibly not with a nice wrapped up happy ending. What I was saying was that this was taken to such extremes on Lost that it just got ridiculous and lost interest and suspense because it became obvious that nothing, ever, was going to be revealed without 50 more mysteries being generated. My point is that there is a difference between intelligent complexity and verbose density.

Where would you reccomend drawing the line?

 

[STARTREK11]

Woulfe said:
Thick Script ?

That just means all these cameos that keep poping up with so and so and shuch and shuch being in the film rumors are true and they all have speaking lines to boot !

Or it's a 3 hour plus film.....

Lost is a tv series and you cannot compare to a fim which by law must end when the credits roll.

It will be a projected 2 hour and 40 minute film after editing the 4 hours of shot footage and also I should point out another reason for the thick script could be the impending writers strike.Abrams is a exceedingly clever man and he may have written revisions and amendment to cover that possibility but I hope it will be a highly complex interwoven character driven film with is non-linear and highly verbose with lots of talking which would add to the enjoyment for the average Joe.

 

[Franklin]

STARTREK11 said:

Woulfe said:
Thick Script ?

That just means all these cameos that keep poping up with so and so and shuch and shuch being in the film rumors are true and they all have speaking lines to boot !

Or it's a 3 hour plus film.....

Lost is a tv series and you cannot compare to a fim which by law must end when the credits roll.

It will be a projected 2 hour and 40 minute film after editing the 4 hours of shot footage and also I should point out another reason for the thick script could be the impending writers strike.Abrams is a exceedingly clever man and he may have written revisions and amendment to cover that possibility but I hope it will be a highly complex interwoven character driven film with is non-linear and highly verbose with lots of talking which would add to the enjoyment for the average Joe.

STARTREK11, please look up "verbose" in the dictionary. Are you SURE that's what you mean? It's not a compliment to call a script verbose.

You are right about one thing, though, the average Joe loves a movie with lots of talking. That's why when years ago Mel Brooks tried to bring back silent movies, it didn't catch on. Yessir, talkies are here to stay.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

STARTREK11 said:
Lost is a tv series and you cannot compare to a fim [sic] which by law must end when the credits roll.

There's no chance that you can cite the relevant statute, is there? State or Federal?

 

[Kegek]

^
I think he means law of nature. Like warp drive, it's scientifically impossible for a film to continue after the credits.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Kegek said:
^
I think he means law of nature.

There are no films in nature. And whoever formulated that "law-like proposition" evidently hasn't seen "Back To The Future II" or "The Empire Strikes Back."

 

[cultcross]

Kegek said:
^
I think he means law of nature.

Actually, he confirmed in his other thread that he doesn't believe in those - he has a more evolved thought pattern.