Probably because when the women came to the surface to collect men for the underground complex they may have been amorous with the men and then afterwards zapped 'em with something akin to their pain wasitbands?
What else could they mean?
JB
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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Probably because when the women came to the surface to collect men for the underground complex they may have been amorous with the men and then afterwards zapped 'em with something akin to their pain wasitbands?
What else could they mean?
JB
Probably because when the women came to the surface to collect men for the underground complex they may have been amorous with the men and then afterwards zapped 'em with something akin to their pain wasitbands?
What else could they mean?
JB
Or maybe they were married to them and then got divorced.
Did any men return to the surface to tell the story, though? As the dialogue goes, it seems only the male offspring would have, meaning the women had a reputation of cruelty to children... (And pleasure, too, of course.)
Okay, the other, no doubt intended interpretation is that the Eymorg occasionally take males down below and then release them, using pain to get what they want (or what Controller makes them want). But if so, why do the men so much fear being taken underground? Is the pain somehow ill balanced with the pleasure, and if so, for what reason? Surely it won't take all that much persuasion to get the men to do the implied breeding part, and kicking them out afterwards can be achieved with simple stunning. Are the women (or the Controller) sadistic for some reason?
Timo Saloniemi
Okay, the other, no doubt intended interpretation is that the Eymorg occasionally take males down below and then release them, using pain to get what they want (or what Controller makes them want). But if so, why do the men so much fear being taken underground? Is the pain somehow ill balanced with the pleasure, and if so, for what reason? Surely it won't take all that much persuasion to get the men to do the implied breeding part, and kicking them out afterwards can be achieved with simple stunning. Are the women (or the Controller) sadistic for some reason?
Timo Saloniemi
Not sure if the women did release the male offspring back to the surface but maybe they did! I doubt the men were ever released though. Firstly they were useful as breeding stock and then as slave labour and guard duty!
JB
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I never noticed that the Romulan ship's interiors in "The Enterprise Incident" were actually a (major) redress of Enterprise's corridors.
Oops.
Then again, with so much Romulan eye candy on screen (Tal n' Commander, sittin' in muh tree and all) who would notice the set minutiae on first or second or twentieth viewings? *splutter* I mean you know what they say, "the fiftieth time's the charm and all." Being an all-time favorite makes it a lot easier to get through fifty viewings of it too...
Oops.
Then again, with so much Romulan eye candy on screen (Tal n' Commander, sittin' in muh tree and all) who would notice the set minutiae on first or second or twentieth viewings? *splutter* I mean you know what they say, "the fiftieth time's the charm and all." Being an all-time favorite makes it a lot easier to get through fifty viewings of it too...
I noticed the Romulan corridors were just the Enterprise ones shaded in green light when I last watched this episode in 2009! I'd never noticed it before that though...
JB
JB
Maybe some of the flats were reused, but the actual layout differs substantially to the Enterprise corridor plan. I suppose it's possible that the walls were dismantled and reassembled as a grid shape in the adjacent soundstage, the red areas repainted grey, the overhangs changed etc. But then to get all those changes reversed and the corridors reassembled in time for And The Children Shall Lead the following week would have doubled the workload.
Are you sure they didn't just mock up a few straight corridors and just paint them in a slightly similar design to the Enterprise sets?
The same corridor setup would have come in very handy for Spock's Brain too, which displayed an even more extensive array of corridors (in grid layout) and which filmed the episode after Children, so it's not like anything would be going to waste
Are you sure they didn't just mock up a few straight corridors and just paint them in a slightly similar design to the Enterprise sets?
The same corridor setup would have come in very handy for Spock's Brain too, which displayed an even more extensive array of corridors (in grid layout) and which filmed the episode after Children, so it's not like anything would be going to waste
From Memory Alpha on The Enterprise Incident:
I don't think they would disassemble, move and re-paint the Enterprise set walls onto Stage 3 from Stage 9 and back again, so, probably two separate sets of ships interiors. I think their designs were just similar.
I noticed the Romulan corridors were just the Enterprise ones shaded in green light when I last watched this episode in 2009! I'd never noticed it before that though...
JB
Well, at least they didn't forget a can of (identifiable) soda on the floor.
Washburn, I mean the long haired Romulan didn't seem to be too confident confronting Kirk much did he!
JB
JB
Thanks, these filming dates just confirmed my suspicions - such a massive redress in the midst of a series run just wouldn't be practical!From Memory Alpha on The Enterprise Incident:
I don't think they would disassemble, move and re-paint the Enterprise set walls onto Stage 3 from Stage 9 and back again, so, probably two separate sets of ships interiors. I think their designs were just similar.
I think it was very clever of Gene Coon as Lee Cronin to call the denizens of Sigma Draconis Morgs and Eymorgs rather than men and women! I know it sounds odd but all you have to do is think about it just a little! 
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I think it was very clever of Gene Coon as Lee Cronin to call the denizens of Sigma Draconis Morgs and Eymorgs rather than men and women! I know it sounds odd but all you have to do is think about it just a little!
JB
The only real mistake, if it can be called that, is that the women were the ones that should have been called the Morg, and the men the Eymorg. The women were the dominant gender, and would have the shorter, more commanding referent.
The Draconians have been at this for 10,000 years (the lifespan of the old Controller), and back when they started the underground community, men were in charge. They were the Morg, and don't you forget it.
But something happened that caused the males to gallantly go back and rough it on the surface, and gradually their chivalry and sacrifice cost them their place in society. The sex roles changed but the old words remained. Moral: if you give the Eymorg an inch, they'll take a mile.
I'll buy that. It's plausible.
I think it was very clever of Gene Coon as Lee Cronin to call the denizens of Sigma Draconis Morgs and Eymorgs rather than men and women! I know it sounds odd but all you have to do is think about it just a little!
JB
I liked this. But I don't get it.
Not quite. Spock scans the Teacher's contents:
Post-op, re-embodied Spock tells us:
"And it all began thousands of years ago when a glacial age reoccurred. This underground complex was developed for the women. The men remained above, and a male-female schism took place."
That's pretty close to what I said. The men were too chivalrous and it cost them their place in society. I had one little detail wrong.
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