I'm glad he didn't follow his father's path of alcoholism and early death.
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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I'm glad he didn't follow his father's path of alcoholism and early death.
I'm sure he is, too!
What about as Nick Baxter, the Invader whose touch killed people by freezing them to death? Or as Billy The Kid in The Time Tunnel episode of the same name? And I think he was also in Beware The Blob as well...
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"Someday, my boy, <cough cough> all this <hack hack> will... be... <cough cough> yours..."
"Assignment: Earth" offers a second example (the other being "A Piece Of The Action") of site-to-site transport being used in TOS. Kirk explicitly has Scotty beam him and Spock directly from the rocket base to Gary Seven's apartment, and not to the transporter pad he apparently has in his vault, either. Neat.
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I do hate it when later 'Treks' try to incorporate that technology into their show before TOS, which founded the ability in the first place! TOS is the only one that really counts! 
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^Eh? Are you being facetious there? My point is the exact opposite! It was never said nor implied that this couldn't be done or was any kind of novelty in TOS, and in fact quite the contrary. It's not portrayed as anything remotely new or extraordinary or unusually hazardous or requiring specialized equipment, etc., in either "A Piece of the Action" or "Assignment: Earth" but rather a routine thing. If anything, these examples refute the notion that this couldn't be done in earlier times.I do hate it when later 'Treks' try to incorporate that technology into their show before TOS, which founded the ability in the first place! TOS is the only one that really counts!
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What was portrayed as particularly dangerous and rarely done—but nonetheless already entirely possible (even hastily) with the Enterprise's standard transporter—is intra-ship beaming, in "Day Of The Dove" (pad-to-site in that case, not site-to-site).
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The whole "TOS never had site to site transporters" argument is something that detractors of Discovery often bring up. Needless to say, such detractors are often poorly informed about what went on in TOS. The presence of holodecks in the 23rd century (which appeared in The Practical Joker) is another common example
But The Practical Joker was TAS and therefore subject to some people's canon! It's in mine though as I love TAS!
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Don't know if this goes here but I didn't think it merited its own thread.
What is probably the most terrifying thing Captain Kirk ever heard in the original series?
The Doomsday Machine
Spock: "Transporter operational but barely"
I don't think anyone would ever want to hear "transporter" and "barely" in the same sentence.
What is probably the most terrifying thing Captain Kirk ever heard in the original series?
The Doomsday Machine
Spock: "Transporter operational but barely"
I don't think anyone would ever want to hear "transporter" and "barely" in the same sentence.
I can't remember, are any of the site-to-site transports that people are objecting to in Discovery intra-ship as well?
Yes. But what one has to remember is that:
- The Discovery is a newer ship than the Enterprise, quite possibly with better transporters (look at the examples of the Shenzhou and Franklin having outdated ones even well past the point where improved models had become standard).
- Spock explicitly says in "Day Of The Dove" that intra-ship beaming has been done before, if rarely, and was ultimately able to make the necessary calculations and presets to the Enterprise's transporter to perform the operation safely despite being under urgent time constraint that left no time for a trial run, and all under mental duress induced by the entity. Lorca has had unlimited time to have Discovery's computer programmed for his, and to have all the bugs worked out.
- The first thing we are told about Lorca in the same episode where he casually employs this maneuver is that he "is a man who does not fear the things normal people fear."
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People declare plenty of episodes as "non canon" and even Gene Roddenberry disavowed the 5th and 6th Star Trek films. However, the canonicity of an episode is not determined by its quality as a story.
Those who try and declare TAS as non canon are misunderstanding a brief time in the late 80s after Filmation folded and ownership of its various properties were in doubt, until bought up by Paramount later on. TAS was produced as a continuation of Star Trek, voiced by the actors of Star Trek, written by the writers of Star Trek and had DC Fontana as its showrunner. How many more canon points are needed?
I wouldn't call what was done in "Day of the Dove " , "intraship beaming".
They beamed from the transporter room to a place aboard ship. engineering.
I would call "intraship beaming" what Data did in "Brothers." Have the transporter lock onto him away from the pad and transport him down to the p planet without being materialized in the chamber first.
They beamed from the transporter room to a place aboard ship. engineering.
I would call "intraship beaming" what Data did in "Brothers." Have the transporter lock onto him away from the pad and transport him down to the p planet without being materialized in the chamber first.
KIRK: We can't get through the Klingon defences in time, unless...Spock? Intra-ship beaming from one section to another. It's possible?
SPOCK: It has rarely been done because of the danger involved. Pinpoint accuracy is required. If the transportee should materialize inside a solid object, a deck or wall...
How many more canon points are needed?
Live action.
That's animat-judiced talk! 
But honestly, was the requirement that it be live-action ever specified anywhere? According to this article, there's definite wiggle room to consider TAS as canon, given that it is an actual TV series officially produced and owned by CBS.
But honestly, was the requirement that it be live-action ever specified anywhere? According to this article, there's definite wiggle room to consider TAS as canon, given that it is an actual TV series officially produced and owned by CBS.
That's animat-judiced talk!
But honestly, was the requirement that it be live-action ever specified anywhere? According to this article, there's definite wiggle room to consider TAS as canon, given that it is an actual TV series officially produced and owned by CBS.
Canon is everything presented in live-action Star Trek. Events and data-points from TAS or the books become canon when they are worked into a live-action production. That's the easiest way to think about it.
