Hey, I never noticed that before....

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  1. Henoch

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    Maybe it's a cleaning brush for the consoles. God only knows how much coffee has been spilt when the ship gets tossed around.
     
  2. shapeshifter

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    For me, it is a lighting artifact of light glinting off the scrapper in an odd way.

    Optional thoughts.
    One idea I had and discarded, the nubs were a kind of built in stand for setting it down without the brushes touching the surface. But having painted a few hundred thousand yards of surface in my life, the last thing I would want is more weight on the brush. Maybe they glued something on? Maybe.

    Googling both options nets similar results for both.
    Orange is used for both vintage scrapper and paint brush handles, but I could not find vintage brushes with white bristles. Black, tan or gray only. I could find vintage scrappers with metal blades but not find vintage scrappers with nubs.

    At the end of the day, excepting some miracle evidence is entered, I don't think we're going to attain a 100% consensus either way.

    I think the black border is either 1. an alteration to the prop to attempt to disguise it or, most likely IMO, 2. a lighting artifact of light glinting off the scrapper in an odd way.

    While I could not find a suitable img, I remember using similar scrappers with ice hammers attached a long time ago in Montana in winter so that is why I chose scraper.

    :lol: And rock dust.
     
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    Charlie X - Charles Xavier???
     
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  4. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Spock's hairbrush.
     
  5. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Commodore Commodore

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    Where?
     
  6. Farscape One

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    This is clearly an editing issue, which occured multiple times in the third season, but I just noticed something while watching "THE THOLIAN WEB" on Pluto.

    In the end, when McCoy, Chapel, and the transporter guy are in the transporter room, we watch him use the controls. He is a Lt. In a later shot, only seconds later, we see a hand using the controls, but the rank shows a lt. cmdr., which would clearly be Scotty from a previous time.

    This is a favorite episode of mine, and I have seen it many, many times. I can't believe that in 35 years of being a fan, I never saw this before.
     
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  7. Ssosmcin

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    Yeah that's the stock clip of "Scotty" from The Enemy Within; pretty sure it was Eddie Paskey's hands because Doohan had the missing finger, but either way it wasn't Doohan.
     
  8. Mytran

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    I thought in that shot Doohan curled his hand around the controls to hide the missing finger?
     
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  9. Ssosmcin

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    I'm pretty darned sure I read there was a stand in but looking at that episode frame by frame you're right. He did curl for that shot.

    There's another I'm thinking of later in the episode which uses TEW's clip and another angle that looks like the stand in.

    But I may be wrong about that too, so...
     
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  10. ZapBrannigan

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    The Enemy Within:
    https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x05hd/theenemywithinhd050.jpg

    I'm gonna say that's Jimmy. :bolian:
     
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    The unidentified item which is being discussed on the previous page. (My chiming in as to what it could be...)
     
  13. Mytran

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    I tried to match TEW and TTW and they are not the same clips - the hands have a raised knuckle in one which not present in the other.
    [​IMG]
    Plus the lights on the console are different.
     
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  14. CorporalCaptain

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    Could they have been two different takes with the same camera setup?
     
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  15. blssdwlf

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    Looks that way. Both shots have the same person operating the transporter.
     
  16. ZapBrannigan

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    Those are two different moments from the exact same piece of stock footage. The lights are different because they are blinking on and off to create different display patterns.
     
  17. Mytran

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    The stills are from when Scott moves his left arm to the sliders and one frame before he starts to move both hands downwards. Unless he repeats the same manoeuvre twice, I'm not sure how they can be part of the same piece of stock footage.
    The director of The Corbormite Manoeuvre shot several stock scenes in order to make it easier for other episodes, perhaps Scott's hands were on that list?
    I will hunt around and see what other stock footage is out there.

    To be fair I only used the TEW scene when they try and reunite the dogs, so there may be more even within TEW!
     
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  18. ZapBrannigan

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    Come on, man. You've got to be kidding me. :) Look at the creases on the left sleeve. Look at the positioning of his right hand, and its shadow, indicating that the actor, the camera, and the lamps are positioned precisely the same in both views. It is the same shot in your (very nice) side-by-side. It's not from two different days, or even two different hours.

    When they are purposely creating stock footage, which this was, they don't film one quick glimpse and move on. That would waste the time it took to set up the shot. They'd have the actor work the sliders a bit, back and forth, push some buttons and so on, to give future episode editors some choices to work with. That's what you're seeing.

    We also know it really is Jimmy's hands, as evidenced by the missing right middle finger:
    https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x05hd/theenemywithinhd050.jpg
     
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  19. Mytran

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    Oh, I entirely agree that all the close-ups of Scott's hands were shot at the same time, I just meant that the extracts seen in TEW and TTW were not identical - that they were different manoeuvres, albeit ones which were part of the same stock footage reel.
    Apologies if I was unclear in my language.

    I've examined "Scotty's hands" scenes in Enemy Within (1 slide up, 1 slide down), Man Trap (slide up) and Tholian Web (slide down). Naked Time has a slide up but it's just part of the same sequence as the one in TEW.
    Both pairs of "slide-ups" and "slide-downs" are different in minor but noticeable ways.
     
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  20. Mytran

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    Update to my previous post - the footage from The Man Trap wasn't Doohan after all! Or at least wasn't wearing Scotty's uniform, so is different from the other stock footage.
    [​IMG]
    It's from around 20 minutes in, when Kirk is beaming back to the ship.
    Could this be your mystery man?

    Overall, I'm surprised at how few times the Scotty hand footage was used in Season One. Perhaps it will show up more in Season Two! :biggrin:
     
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