I considered her a well rounded person.
Thalassa didn't love Sargon; she rather went for the bad ball -I mean- boy. 
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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Thalassa didn't love Sargon; she rather went for the bad ball -I mean- boy. 
Graham Chapman is going to come back from the dead and join the forum just to post that this thread has become too silly.
Don't stop on my account, this is the best laugh I've had all day!
I don't think Thalassa would approve of such circular humor. Just not really her personal sphere, as it were.
Since we're talking about Organia here, perhaps they weren't real decorations and were taken from Kirk's memories of recent events?
JB
What do you mean by stardates being out of order? What fictional date order do you think that TOS episodes happen in?
There are three main chronological orders that fans usually choose to put TOS episodes in:
1) Original broadcast order.
2) Production order.
3) Stardate order.
So if TOS episodes happen in stardate order then there are no stardates out of order to explain.
But if TOS epsodes happen in broadcast order or production order the stardates do go up and down strangely and there needs to be an explanation.
Well either the stories were prepared earlier for television and delayed or the Stardates really do mean nothing logically!
JB
And again you are assuming that TOS episodes happen in either broadcast order or production order and not in stardate order.
Note that Chekov is in "Catspaw" with an stardate of 3018.2 http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Catspaw_(episode) and "Space Seed" has a beginning stardate of 3141.9 http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Space_Seed_(episode). Thus if one assumes that TOS epsiodes happen in stardate order one will know, instead of guess, that Chekov was already aboard the Enterprise and could have met Khan off screen during "Space Seed".
Oh, please don't say that, JB. I've spent (wasted?) many man-hours working on a detailed spreadsheet based on TOS stardates, and it makes total sense to me (with many assumptions of course...)
See my answers above.
Production order is the right order. Stardates aren't consecutive. They are some higgly piggly timey whimey record keeping device that only Starfleet archivists understand.
I was watching WNMHGB last night on CBS All Access and noticed how red and inflamed Lockwood's eyelids were in the sickbay scenes. I knew the silver contacts caused him problems but that really drove the point home. 
I was watching WNMHGB last night on CBS All Access and noticed how red and inflamed Lockwood's eyelids were in the sickbay scenes. I knew the silver contacts caused him problems but that really drove the point home.
Oh, is that right? I don't watch WNM very often, which is my failing, not the episode's. Good catch.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/how...chells-dr-elizabeth-dehners-eyes-glow.196672/
. . . and sure enough, there's an authoritative thread from a few years ago (not open for further replies) on the topic. Sounds like the lenses didn't bother Sally Kellerman as much, but geez, they sound unpleasant.
One fascinating artefact of Stardate order is that the first stardate in the show begins with 1, and the last with 5, so although the show only ran for three seasons, you can reasonably make the case that we do see the 'five year mission' talked about during the opening credits 
If, as was later the case, 1000 stardate units represents a full year 
If, as was later the case, 1000 stardate units represents a full year
Absolutely.One fascinating artefact of Stardate order is that the first stardate in the show begins with 1, and the last with 5, so although the show only ran for three seasons, you can reasonably make the case that we do see the 'five year mission' talked about during the opening credits
I might as well put it here:I also assume that Stardate X000.0 units, where X = mission year and the next 3 digits and decimal are chronological mission activity designations, or log entries. Approximately 1000.0 stardates is one year or 2.7 stardates per day. In practice, log entries are made at a variable rate, but on average approximately 9 entries per 8 hour shift, or the duty officer usually makes one log entry as he takes the shift, makes one entry approx. every hour on the hour, and his final log entry at the end of his shift. Three shifts = about 27 entry slots over 2.7 stardates per day. If needed, more entries can be made, these just borrow from the future, or you use "supplemental". Log entries can be skipped, too. The computer maintains the actual link to Starfleet time via subspace behind the scenes.
WNMHGB was on a different mission clock than the 5 year mission. Kirk got assigned Captain of the Enterprise taking over from Captain Pike on Stardate 1277.1 during the galaxy edge mission (Stardate based on Kirk's tombstone which read C. 1277.1 to 1313.7, his tenure as Captain.) ("Hey, I never noticed that before..."
) After that mission ended, the Enterprise went into dry dock for new bridge, nacelles, and other upgrades. After refit, the ship was assigned the Five Year Mission which reset its stardate counter back to 1000.0. Based on TOS stardates (no TAS), the entire 5 year mission was covered with year 3 the busiest year and year 5 the next busy. Over the five year mission, a little over 20 days on average passed between episodes.
Most episodes easily follow the stardate progression except in a few cases were the time period between episodes is very tight. Since log entries can be skipped, tight stardate windows can be expanded and thus explained. A little time travel here and there. And last, you insert all the episodes with unknown stardates into the largest available stardate windows using production order as a guide. At this point, only about 5 episodes give me tight windows of less than a day, therefore the need to expand some tight windows. Stardate progression even allows me to insert off-screen events such as repair time immediately after battle or damaging episodes, major engineering upgrades, weapon upgrades, etc.
One fascinating artefact of Stardate order is that the first stardate in the show begins with 1, and the last with 5, so although the show only ran for three seasons, you can reasonably make the case that we do see the 'five year mission' talked about during the opening credits
I've always enjoyed that the third season had the Stardates with a 5, validating the end of their five year mission, except that the final TAS episodes had a Stardate beginning with 7 I believe..?
JB
Do you think we should ignore TAS then, Lance? 
JB
JB
That's a question for the ages
I've always counted it as a logical extension of TOS, even before it was officially declared canon. But on the issue of the stardates... TOS is actually mostly semi-consistent with SD progression, with only a few oddities here and there, but TAS is not either within itself or as a part of TOS (infamously, at least one episode has a SD that comes before TOS!). The same care and attention to detail was not adhered to for TAS when it came to stardates.
So, I'd say accept it, but ignore the stardates given on screen
I've always counted it as a logical extension of TOS, even before it was officially declared canon. But on the issue of the stardates... TOS is actually mostly semi-consistent with SD progression, with only a few oddities here and there, but TAS is not either within itself or as a part of TOS (infamously, at least one episode has a SD that comes before TOS!
). The same care and attention to detail was not adhered to for TAS when it came to stardates.So, I'd say accept it, but ignore the stardates given on screen
Sargon wasn't a God, more a highly developed alien being! Without a human body or receptacle to house his consciousness I'm sure his mind would drift off into the universe so that's why the idea was for the crew to construct android bodies for the three! And I never trusted that Henoch anyway!
JB
JB
GRRR.And I never trusted that Henoch anyway!
Come just a little closer to the glowing globe...True, but are not all the small "g" gods just highly developed alien beings in every Star Trek series and movies. The real big "G" God never makes an appearance! (If he did, Kirk would probably talk him into suicide...)
He wouldn't do that. He finds the one quite sufficient.
Just watch out if your god requests a starship.
Excuse me!!! But why would God request a Starship? 
JB
JB
That's great thinking. It also explains why Luma, who was right in the path (IIRC) of whatever the bracelet did, wasn't affected when Kara used it in the corridor. Of course, they could have just been immune to their own devices.
"What is bracelet?"
JB
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