HEROES 3x13 "Dual" (Volume 3 Finale)

[Aragorn]

I gave it an excellent on the basis that it was a fun ride while watching, even if it doesn't add up to anything and was easily forgotten afterward. In terms of the overall show, it's probably average. Heroes, like the later seasons of 24 or all of Smallville, is disappointing in where it could go and instead where it chooses to go (or not go).

Are we sure Peter got all his powers back? Maybe it's just flying, which makes him as useless as Nathan and thus he becomes a paramedic instead.

 

[Jax]

Above Average and easily weaker then the two previous Volume finales and also I would say this volume has been the weakest of the three to date. It was ironic to see Peter trying to Nathan, a complete role reversal how season 2 ended...

Am sick of deaths not being perm, unlike other shows this one is just absuing that SCI FI rule for cheap gimmicks, we all know Sylar will return and that will be for the 3rd time after being killed, Nathan had 2 returns from both previous Volume endings...serously stop it now.

Claire is pure laughable and needs to be written out she is nothing but eye candy her ability is one dimensional to see the least and Hiro better get powers back but with a catch too, I love his character but we need a stop to the time travel. Tim Kring has his work cut out to save his show.

 

[Skywalker]

Nathan's storyline would have gone much more smoothly if they'd excised the pointless religious awakening at the beginning and actually made his turn towards evil a consequence (*gasp* What's consequences, precious? ) of FuturePeter shooting him. It should have been something that had been progressing since the first episode of this volume, not something Nathan suddenly decided in the last few episodes of it.

 

[Professor Zoom]

One word for me. Craptastic.

Nathan made NO sense...what the hell was he arguing about with Tracey...They both want the thing to work, they both want to have power (apparently, Nathan has been totally converted in a matter of episodes), yet the idea that maybe taking the thing that could get you powers and LEAVING isn't want occurs to Nathan.

He would rather just go beat up his brother.

But that's fine, if MAYBE he had said to Tracey: take the formula to a safe place, I got some business to attend to first.

But, some twisted logic, for drama sake, had him arguing with her...

Nathan has become stupid now as well.

I'll give the first episode of Volume 4 a chance, but...if that episode is a good as this, I'm done. I just can't take it anymore.

 

[label]

Alright, this show is really just an incoherent train wreck whose character bow to the whim of the writers latest fancy from week to week with no real center.

We get a rehash of a Saw movie which I could almost buy from Sylar, but the whole Petrelli storyline was an absolute mess. The whole Nathan vs. Peter thing was ridiculous and completely nonsensical.

Peter hooking up with dumb-ass villians number 1 and 2 was pointless and hopefully (though I doubt it) the other one died when the building collapsed.

In short, this show needs a drastic reboot with some fresh ideas and story-tellers who map out where the shows headed in advance with character who act reasonably consistent from week to week or there won't be any point to keep watching the show.

It's always been a messy show from a story-telling perspective, even in season 1, but it's also always been fun.....until recently. I'll watch the rest of Season 3 but if it doesn't take it up a notch or two I don't think the show will be worth my time.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Nathan's storyline would have gone much more smoothly if they'd excised the pointless religious awakening at the beginning and actually made his turn towards evil a consequence (*gasp* What's consequences, precious? ) of FuturePeter shooting him. It should have been something that had been progressing since the first episode of this volume, not something Nathan suddenly decided in the last few episodes of it.

Don't be silly. The brothers would actually have to talk and interact for that to happen. We'd have missed Peter visting the future and being useless and all sorts of other vital plot points. You can't skimp on the time travel to build a plausible storyline for Nathan. Pasdar's been working with crap for a year and a half now. He's accustomed to it.

Silly goose.

 

[TheArsenal]

"You broke my heart Fredo ... er ... Peter."

Nathan as Micheal Corleone. Except when Micheal stepped into his father's shoes, there was a gradual journey so that it made sense. Nathan had less of a journey to this point than the story jerking him all about until this is where he landed. But, Peter as Fredo the hapless brother, that comparison I can live with. I had given up on Ali Larter as her character went nowhere, but Larter as a scheming Patti Blagojevich ice woman behind the man has potential. Suits Larter's skill set.

Sylar's House of Horrors had some moments of entertainment. The face off between Sylar and Puppet Master was satisfying as the very sexual predator subtext of Puppet Master made him a candidate for a good violent killing. They also set it up that Sylar's "real parents" could have some story potential down the road. But overall, his attempting to show people are actually monsters, was far more entertaining when Heath Ledger did it in clown make up. But we'll see what becomes of Sylar; with the burned building they are able to sideline him for a bit with his fake death while they figure out what they want to do with him.

The problem with last night as a finale ... one of the problems with last night as a finale ... is how ridiculously easy things get wrapped up. A shot or two in the arm here, a spilled tub of magic fluid there, and everyone is back to where they started (almost. Hiro will likely remain powerless for a bit, since Volume 4 Hero Round Up would be difficult with the time traveling time stopper). But there are no stakes in the story build up if situations can wiped away with a couple of cheap solutions.

All in all, Volume 3 was a complete mess. Volume 4 looks promising.

Average

 

[Oso Blanco]

If you all hate Heroes that much, why don't you just stop watching? I'm really sick of all this bashing!

 

[label]

If you all hate Heroes that much, why don't you just stop watching? I'm really sick of all this bashing!

If you hate reading people who hate Hero's that much, why don't you just stop reading them? I'm really sick of all of the bashing of the people who are bashing!

 

[Gertch]

If you all hate Heroes that much, why don't you just stop watching? I'm really sick of all this bashing!

 

[Smiley]

I could pick apart so much in this episode, it's not even funny. The characters are written to be stupid and inconsistent, and so much dramatic potential is wasted. I'll just touch on one bad science element: Daphne's supercharged speed. Traveling at relativistic speed will not send you back in time, it will age everyone else faster than you from your subjective viewpoint. Also, since her mass is constant, there should be a LOT more energy being discharged than just some wind whooshing papers around.

Oso, I am bashing, but I am also ceasing to watch the show with this episode. I will keep up with plot developments through some humorous online recaps, but I will not waste 42-43 minutes of my week on this nonsense any longer. I'll probably watch the series finale out of morbid curiosity, but I am quite satisfied just watching Season 1 on DVD and imagining my own "Generations" story.

 

[Hyperspace05]

All in all, Volume 3 was a complete mess. Volume 4 looks promising.

Average

If Volume 3 was such a mess, How exactly does Volume 4 look promising?

Nathan does yet another 180 degree switch - from "everyone should have powers" to "lets hunt down all with powers"...

This show is becoming a car wreck... But I can only rubber-neck for so long before I have to keep going on.

 

[Mallet]

Spoiler: Sylar

According to Kristen@e-online Sylar is alive and will be back (Duh!) but... he will be powerless again... something to do with the glass in the head or some other mumbo-jumbo means he's back to the way he was in season two. So, of course, he will have to get Claire's blood again to get his powers back...

 

[Hermiod]

Right...

The Good Points

- I think they've fixed Peter. His face didn't heal so I don't think he's gotten his other abilities back. However, Ando showed earlier that you can't easily choose which ability you get. I think he's got the empathic mimickry back and used that to copy Nathan. I guess he's a blank slate again.

- Michael Dorn!

- Ando's power is actually quite interesting. I wonder what would happen if he boosted Peter's mimickry.

- Claire wasn't entirely useless this week.

The Bad

- Hiro remains powerless and all samples of the formula have been destroyed.

- Not really sure what the point of Ali Larter's character is, but there you go.

- How is Mohinder able to throw Peter across the room and then get pushed around by Flint ?

- I read an interview earlier this week where it was said they writers of this show use time travel as a crutch. They don't. They use depowering as a crutch. A lot of people who go along with the "women in refrigerators" theory about comics refer to depowering as a euphemism for rape (before, you know, Ms. Marvel and Jean Loring came along were actually raped). I'm starting to agree with them.

And finally...

Spoiler: Sylar

If that spoiler about him is true I'm going to be pissed.

 

[Scout101]

This season was just terrible. The finale started to look like it would redeem the season, but then it just fell apart. I mean, when you look back, what happened/changed?

-Introduced a few background characters, and killed them.

-Parkman had a girlfriend

-Hiro lost his powers (how's he getting them back with the formula destroyed and the 'light/catalyst" gone?

-Ando has a power, but only as a sidekick

-Sylar is 'dead', but only in the sense that he'll just be reset again.

Really, after all of this crap, what happened? To be fair, nothing really. Nor, through the buildup, did anything even feel like anything was at stake this season. They ran around and played games with eachother, a few people lost their powers, only to easily gain them back, etc. New characters were brought in, and then killed.

So what?

WIsh they would have done what they originally planned and made the seasons a lot more self-contained. Introduce more new characters every season, and don't be shy about killing people off or writing people out. Can't have a 'star' cast, so to speak, but if only a few characters carried over, there would be a lot less dumb plotlines running around (like whatever Ali Larter is still doing on the show, for example), and you could keep just enough characters to keep a continuity of storytelling...

 

[MNM]

I'm glad Nathan's story is finally "going somewhere." Although he STILL never bothered to say, "You shot me, Pete! You son of a bitch!" But I guess they're even, now, as Peter saved his life.

Why would he? It was a future version of Peter that did it. Nathan complaining to present Peter would be as pointless as when Hiro was pissy with Ando because future him kileld him.

So Peter got his powers back- -saw that coming. Hiro didn't, which I didn't see coming. THough I don't want it to stick around, I like the idea of Hiro being powerless for a while.

He got "a" power back, but there's no reason to assume he got all of his powers.

I liked this episode, thought it was very good. Finishes off this arc nicely and sets up a new one for the next volume.

Really, with the exception of acouple of episodes in the middle, I have liked this whole volume.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Last night's episode was mediocre. I just didn't care for Sylar's "I'm a villain; I shall have my revenge" tirade. Well, at least this season was better than the last.

Next season should be interesting. The future doesn't look bright for a lot of superpowered beings now that the government is involved (I like "President Worf Obama's" appearance).

 

[Misfit Toy]

If you all hate Heroes that much, why don't you just stop watching? I'm really sick of all this bashing!

This is a discussion thread, not a "praise" thread.

 

[Aragorn]

^ By that same standard, this isn't an "endless bashing" thread either.

I don't see why "if you hate such-and-such show so much, why do you keep watching" is practically heresy on here. Look how many people here waste their time on something they hate so much.

 

[label]

Can't have a 'star' cast, so to speak, but if only a few characters carried over, there would be a lot less dumb plotlines running around (like whatever Ali Larter is still doing on the show, for example), and you could keep just enough characters to keep a continuity of storytelling...

Exactly.

I think you keep the Petrelli's, Hiro/Ando, Parkman (and now apparently Daphne) and the Bennets.

Tracy/Nikki must die
Suresh must die
Maya must stay out of the story (unless she returns sans clothes)
Micah must stay out of the story
Claire must go back to high school (or college) and have a reduced role in the show
I don't know how you keep Sylar on the show.
They cannot in any way shape or form have someone posses knowledge of the future that causes everyone to race against time to stop things from happening. Perhaps make it so Hiro can't move through time, but he can stop it.