HEROES 3x04 "I Am Become Death" Discuss and Grade

[exodus]

^^I just want a straight-forward plot for once. And I want all the characters to work together. There can still be mysteries to solve, but I am just so tired of everything revolving around events that haven't even happened yet.

It doesn't matter what the crazy new future threat is, at the beginning each season they've reset to having the characters separate. Why do Hiro and Ando always have to have their own unique story?

Because dispite having super powers, all these characters still have lives and other responsabilities. None of them are independantly wealthy and can live in a mansion waiting to be called upon to use their powers. They're real people, living real lives who just happen to have powers. So just because they meet, doesn't mean they all going to be friends or a be superhero team. I think that's what they're trying to get across.

Just like Noah told Claire: "You can't let people know someone like you exists, some will hunt you and hurt you." In our real world if someone had super powers they wouldn't be seen as a hero, they'd be feared by the people and hunted by the government to be used as a weapon or something. In the real world the life of a superhero wouldn't be glamourous.

 

[tomalak301]

I'm a little afraid to post in these threads now because I am still really engrossed in this show. It's fun, and this season the storyline is much more interesting. I like seeing the different sides to the characters, and Hayden didn't do a bad job being evil. I don't think I'm much comfortable with it though. I was shocked they brought back Sylar going nuclear but it made a bit of sense given the context of the story. I can't wait to see how this fully develops but other than the Hiro storyline at this point, this show is much better than it was last year. Glad Adam is back.

 

[RoJoHen]

^^I just want a straight-forward plot for once. And I want all the characters to work together. There can still be mysteries to solve, but I am just so tired of everything revolving around events that haven't even happened yet.

It doesn't matter what the crazy new future threat is, at the beginning each season they've reset to having the characters separate. Why do Hiro and Ando always have to have their own unique story?

Because dispite having super powers, all these characters still have lives and other responsabilities. None of them are independantly wealthy and can live in a mansion waiting to be called upon to use their powers. They're real people, living real lives who just happen to have powers. So just because they meet, doesn't mean they all going to be friends or a be superhero team. I think that's what they're trying to get across.

Just like Noah told Claire: "You can't let people know someone like you exists, some will hunt you and hurt you." In our real world if someone had super powers they wouldn't be seen as a hero, they'd be feared by the people and hunted by the government to be used as a weapon or something. In the real world the life of a superhero wouldn't be glamourous.

Oh, I get that, and it's fine. But you'd think they would have more contact with each other. Maybe some of them could actually become friends? I dunno, if I had powers, and then I found a bunch of other people that also had powers, I would want to get to know more about them.

It's the 3rd season. I just think we need to be progressing somewhere, and I don't feel like we are any closer than we were in Season 1.

 

[3D Master]

One thing I don't like is the idea that Sylar's murderous streak was caused strictly by his powers. That's too much of a cop-out.

It would be easier to swallow if they hadn't presented Sylar as being inherently murderous in S2. But I thought that was a bad call because I was fully expecting them to keep Quinto at least till Star Trek XI comes out, for the PR value, and probably beyond, and having him be inherently murderous gives them no place to go with the character that doesn't get repetitious. They wrote themselves into a corner and now they're trying to wiggle out of it. They could use some better advance planning on this show, that much is sure.[/quote]

You can't turn a villain good, it's that simple. That way equals shark jumping. Turn a villain, a truly evil, psychopathic villain good, and you just have bad writing.

Also, villains shouldn't remain, villains should DIE. Name the greatest villain of Spider-man. You know who everyone names if they don't know what happened in the last decade? The Green Goblin aka Norman Osborn. Why? Because he hurt Spider-man, killed his girlfriend, nearly killed Spider-man, and then DIED. There is always that nagging feeling; what if he got another shot? (Then of course, they resurrected both of them, shitting all over that legacy.)

Villains, however, that remain around, try again and again, and continuously get their asses kicked, lose their threat value. A hero growing stronger, better, and beating the same villain again and again. A villain without a threat value is a joke. That first time when it seemed he had a shot at defeating the hero, you now know, he never really had a chance.

Sylar should have been finished off at the end of S1. That, really, after all, was Hiro's journey. Save the world, and from his point of view that meant finishing off Sylar. He should have, and then he finds out it was Peter. Nathan comes, sends Peter up in the sky, and BOTH of THEM die in the explosion.

S2, is Hiro and the group taking on more threats to the world - most notably the company - with Hiro somewhat the leader and Noah a mentor figure, a teacher.

Wow, so am I the only person on here who actually still likes Heroes?

No, but it does just seem to be you and me.

And me!

I don't care how nonsensical etc etc etc it is. I'm along for the ride and it's intense this season. Plenty of WTF?! moments, some cool set-pieces and a core cast of likeable people. And nuts to you all Daphne is awesome

To me, the moment Sylar turned out to be good, there were no more good moments at all. The rest of the episode played like a bland pile of nothingness, that had no interested to me, while I went, "Why!? Why can they do this!? Why can they turn what used to be one of, if not THE best show I'd ever seen, in such a pile of junk! You can NOT make a villain like Sylar turn good, without the entire show smelling of that bad stink."

 

[blockaderunner]

Except for budget and people get attached to certain characters.

If my own fact finding with friends and accquaintences and the ratings are an indication, the so called attachments to these characters are most likely out of habit. With the exception of Noah and maybe Nathan because Adrian Pasdar is such a great actor, everyone is pretty much fair game. Even fan favorite Hiro has become the annoying bumbling plucky Asian stereotype. When will the sword wielding, ponytail sporting, perfect english speaking Hiro come to pass? I'll even settle for the english and sword wielding.

And as for budget, I'm not talking about a cosmic slugfest every week. I think they could save their load for a two hour finale.

Removing all of them would damage viewership and ratings would decline.

Which are down 16% from last week. What's your point?

You're ideas are great on paper and would work in a regular comic but it's damaging for a TV show, honestly.

About as damaging as the season 1 climax that ended up as the superpowered equivalent of a slap fight? As damaging as yet another "future is in peril" storyline for a third year in a row? As damaging as a buch of people still wandering around trying to fugure things out yet again when, by this time, they should have been organized against any threat? As damaging as "dark" Claire who oozes as much malevolence as a My Little Pony? Again, I don't see your point. With declining ratings and creative stagnation, what do they have to lose in shaking up the show right down to its foundation?

 

[Hermiod]

Two things .

First, the Green Goblin isn't dead. He's leader of the Thunderbolts now.

Second, there is no evidence that Sylar has lost his earlier powers.

 

[3D Master]

Two things .

First, the Green Goblin isn't dead. He's leader of the Thunderbolts now.

That's why I said, to anyone who doesn't know the happenings of the last decade, and that resurrecting him and Gwen Stacy was shitting over their legacy. Indeed, to anyone who DOES know the happenings of the last decade, the Green Goblin is one of the most pathetic, useless, weak villains ever. As far as I'm concerned, they're both dead, dead, dead, and will remain dead, dead, dead.

 

[RoJoHen]

^Correct. He simply lost his ability to access his powers for a while. Like the super-villain version of writer's block.

 

[Skywalker]

What I wonder is...since Sylar killed the Illusion girl (gah, can't remember her name at the moment) in Season Two, but his power wasn't working, does that mean her power is gone?

 

[RoJoHen]

I'm sure someone else will pop up with that power sooner or later.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

I was confused about this entire episode. Don't know if that is good or bad.

 

[Skywalker]

I'm sure someone else will pop up with that power sooner or later.

Meh, I wish they'd laid down a rule where no two people had the same power.

 

[exodus]

If my own fact finding with friends and accquaintences and the ratings are an indication, the so called attachments to these characters are most likely out of habit.

My point is you and a circle of your friends don't represent the entire viewing audience enough to make a 16% drop concern the studio yet. My friends and aquaintences love it and don't have much issue with it. So each of our personal points of view can't be all we base on how good or bad the show maybe.

Get my point?

 

[Captain Craig]

Ditto. As long as they keep telling me a good story, I'm onboard.

And, I think a lot of things that don't necessarily make sense right now, just mihgt down the road a bit.

Well they better but then again I'm only going to give it another 3-4 eps to prove to me that there is a payoff at the end, a road worth traveling, and not one that is just a rehashed ending of the prior 2 seasons.

Seriously, what exactly are you looking for the show to be?

Please, don't say:good!.

I want it to be different. I don't want the same obvious repetitivness from the prior two seasons. Its a show that takes its cues from the comic book world yet has used the same formula for three years now. Even comics would mix up their main dramatic ploys from arc to arc. Unless Tim Kring is using modern DC as his template which is one Crisis after the last Crisis then he and his writers can do better.

Even when LOST has had its slow spells it was never repetitive. Which is the show it most closely resembles in tems of style and cast.

 

[exodus]

Well they better but then again I'm only going to give it another 3-4 eps to prove to me that there is a payoff at the end, a road worth traveling, and not one that is just a rehashed ending of the prior 2 seasons.

Seriously, what exactly are you looking for the show to be?

Please, don't say:good!.

I want it to be different. I don't want the same obvious repetitivness from the prior two seasons. Its a show that takes its cues from the comic book world yet has used the same formula for three years now. Even comics would mix up their main dramatic ploys from arc to arc. Unless Tim Kring is using modern DC as his template which is one Crisis after the last Crisis then he and his writers can do better.

Even when LOST has had its slow spells it was never repetitive. Which is the show it most closely resembles in tems of style and cast.

Ok, I can't understand that reasoning.

Thanks for the reply.


BTW, the questions I'm surprised nobody has asked is: Where's the Irish girl Peter lost in the future last season? Where's Monica, Micah's cousin?

 

[Mistral]

I think Monica is coming back and the lost Irish lass got the short end of the stick-when that possible future was thwarted *poof* all gone and her with it.

 

[Captain Craig]

BTW, the questions I'm surprised nobody has asked is: Where's the Irish girl Peter lost in the future last season? Where's Monica, Micah's cousin?

I actually asked both of those in the thread for 3x1 & 3x2.

 

[Mistral]

BTW, the questions I'm surprised nobody has asked is: Where's the Irish girl Peter lost in the future last season? Where's Monica, Micah's cousin?

I actually asked both of those in the thread for 3x1 & 3x2.

I don't doubt you. Say, has anyone taken into account what Parkman's father is capable of? He told Parkman that the whole illusionary reality he trapped him in was just a small part of what they can do. How much of what's going on is the old man manipulating (someone's) reality? Think about it for a minute-it would explain just about anything the writers want to explain.

 

[exodus]

BTW, the questions I'm surprised nobody has asked is: Where's the Irish girl Peter lost in the future last season? Where's Monica, Micah's cousin?

I actually asked both of those in the thread for 3x1 & 3x2.

I don't doubt you. Say, has anyone taken into account what Parkman's father is capable of? He told Parkman that the whole illusionary reality he trapped him in was just a small part of what they can do. How much of what's going on is the old man manipulating (someone's) reality? Think about it for a minute-it would explain just about anything the writers want to explain.

Very clever, Mistral.


Sorry Craig, I don't post as often as I used too, so I guess I missed it.

 

[JD]

I really don't get why people seem so suprised and upset with Sylar possibly becoming a good guy, this always happens whenever a villain becomes popular, just look at Spike from Buffy. Honestly I've been expecting this to happen ever since Sylar started becoming popular.