HEROES 3x04 "I Am Become Death" Discuss and Grade

[Aragorn]

The Haitian turned off the two Peters' powers, which is why Claire was able to kill future Peter. When present Peter was running away, he had to hit the Haitian to get away.

It's one thing to have Sylar be like an addict, but the "powers made me bad" is a cop out of Jack Thompson proportions.

Also, shouldn't Peter have the Haitian's powers? He could've turned off Claire, Knox and Daphne during the house encounter. Can Peter counteract the Haitian?

 

[Hermiod]

One other thing - near the start when Tracy goes to see Dr. Zimmerman, we see some photos:

Is the other man in that photo The German ?

 

[Sakrysta]

I would think the nature of the Haitian's powers would make it impossible for Peter to absorb them as long as he was conscious. We know from last season the Haitian managed to subdue Peter long enough to erase his memory. I would think the only way for Peter to use his absorption power around the Haitian would be for the Haitian to be unconscious & incapable of suppressing Peter.

 

[LutherSloan]

One other thing - near the start when Tracy goes to see Dr. Zimmerman, we see some photos:

Is the other man in that photo The German ?

That does look like him...

 

[TheBrew]

They still have 4 more years of experance on Peter.

Peter is powerful but he lacks the ability to think on his feet and the experance that comes with that.

That partly explains Peter, but not Sylar. It took Peter, Parkman, Noah, Hiro and Nikki to stop him in Kirby Plaza and he wasn't as powerful then.

What I got from Sylar in that scene is that his son doesn't know that he has powers or was afraid of unleashing them in case he hurt his son. Once his son was dead, BOOM.

 

[Hermiod]

I would think the nature of the Haitian's powers would make it impossible for Peter to absorb them as long as he was conscious. We know from last season the Haitian managed to subdue Peter long enough to erase his memory. I would think the only way for Peter to use his absorption power around the Haitian would be for the Haitian to be unconscious & incapable of supressing Peter.

That's the problem though, Peter doesn't seem to be able to absorb a person's abilities unless they use them.

Just by being in the same room as Sylar he should have gained all of his abilities, but he hasn't. He only ever absorbed the telekinesis and, in this episode, the intuitive aptitude.

What I got from Sylar in that scene is that his son doesn't know that he has powers or was afraid of unleashing them in case he hurt his son. Once his son was dead, BOOM.

With his telekinesis he could have crushed their throats without endangering his son. That's just the first one I thought of off the top of my head.

 

[Garak]

^Present Peter runs past the Haitian just after Future Peter is shot. It's likely Claire made sure of the job by shooting him in the back of the head afterwards, anyway.

Ah, I thought that was the really strong black guy. It all happended so fast.

 

[Derishton]

This is the first episode I thought was above average this season, and that's mostly because the pace is picking up.

 

[HappyDayRiot]

Wow, so am I the only person on here who actually still likes Heroes?

No, but it does just seem to be you and me.

And me!

I don't care how nonsensical etc etc etc it is. I'm along for the ride and it's intense this season. Plenty of WTF?! moments, some cool set-pieces and a core cast of likeable people. And nuts to you all Daphne is awesome

 

[Mysterion]

Wow, so am I the only person on here who actually still likes Heroes?

No, but it does just seem to be you and me.

And me!

I don't care how nonsensical etc etc etc it is. I'm along for the ride and it's intense this season. Plenty of WTF?! moments, some cool set-pieces and a core cast of likeable people. And nuts to you all Daphne is awesome

Ditto. As long as they keep telling me a good story, I'm onboard.

And, I think a lot of things that don't necessarily make sense right now, just mihgt down the road a bit.

 

[Dream]

The only real problem I have with this episode is that Claire, Knox and Daphne shouldn't be able to get close to either Peter or Sylar, and certainly not both.

Sylar was trying not to let little Noah see his murderous side. Peter was being a dumbass as usual.

 

[exodus]

They still have 4 more years of experance on Peter.

Peter is powerful but he lacks the ability to think on his feet and the experance that comes with that.

That partly explains Peter, but not Sylar. It took Peter, Parkman, Noah, Hiro and Nikki to stop him in Kirby Plaza and he wasn't as powerful then.

What I got from Sylar in that scene is that his son doesn't know that he has powers or was afraid of unleashing them in case he hurt his son. Once his son was dead, BOOM.

On another note, I don't think that really is Sylar's son.

Notice how the house is decorated all bright & cheerful like it's designed to keep a child happy, almost like a dolls house. I think he's taking care of him as some attonement for something. I think naming him "Noah" is a clue. Noah & Sylar are partners and I think something goes very wrong that makes Sylar repent.

 

[Captain Craig]

Ditto. As long as they keep telling me a good story, I'm onboard.

And, I think a lot of things that don't necessarily make sense right now, just mihgt down the road a bit.

Well they better but then again I'm only going to give it another 3-4 eps to prove to me that there is a payoff at the end, a road worth traveling, and not one that is just a rehashed ending of the prior 2 seasons.

 

[exodus]

Ditto. As long as they keep telling me a good story, I'm onboard.

And, I think a lot of things that don't necessarily make sense right now, just mihgt down the road a bit.

Well they better but then again I'm only going to give it another 3-4 eps to prove to me that there is a payoff at the end, a road worth traveling, and not one that is just a rehashed ending of the prior 2 seasons.

Seriously, what exactly are you looking for the show to be?

Please, don't say:good!.

 

[Yassim]

Did anyone else want to watch Sylar just go to town on the guy who killed his son?

Here's a guy who cuts the top off your skull in plain cold blood... then he gives up killing for a long time... and now someone comes into his house and kills his son? I thought we were going to get the super-powered ass-kicking of a lifetime.

On another note, didn't someone say that Sylar has lost all his pre-S2 powers? So shouldn't Sprague's power be gone?

This future story line is starting to stink. there are 6 billion people on Earth, maybe 1 of the three futures where the future is destroyed could revolve around someone other than Peter Petrelli. And all the future character notes are just cute for the sake of being cute. What's the opposite of a cheerleader? What's the opposite of a psycho killer? It writes itself!

 

[RoJoHen]

Seriously, what exactly are you looking for the show to be?

Please, don't say:good!.

I'm looking for them to break formula. As fucked up and weird as everything is in the show right now, they're still following the exact same formula they were back in Season 1. It worked then because each episode felt like it was leading somewhere specific.

Season 2 and 3 are following the same formula (throwing out little pieces of the mystery, stopping a bad future, having all the characters off doing their own thing, etc), but Season 2 was a jumbled mess, and Season 3 feels even more random. Plot twists for the sake of plot twists, and so much time travel that it's hard to follow.

 

[blockaderunner]

It's just there.

I voted average because it's what it is. It's not good enough to be praised, nor it is bad enough to be upset about. Season 3 so far is a lateral (sp) move, at best. I think at this point, if season 4 is greenlit, it's a wonderful oppurtunity to do what they were originally going to do at the end of season 1 and recast from top to bottom. Here's my suggestion. First, wipe the slate clean. With the exception of Noah, everyone else and anything related to it like the Company goes bye bye. Kill 'em off, de-power them, or make them go into hiding. This crowd had its chance. Next, recast the show with people with new abilities that aren't so godlike like time travel and immortality and set limitations on those powers (e.g. Someone with mental abilites suffers from crippling migranes as a result of using them and so forth). And right from the get go, start splitting them up in factions of good and evil, with Noah assuming the role that I thought Mohinder was going have as the non-powered character to help the Heroes understand their abilites. And have some powerful corporate Luthor-esque figure controlling the Villans and have his plans that extend beyond just blowing up a city. Have the Heroes and Villans coordinate skirmishes with each other throughout the season, with the obligatory character growth and development that is associated in a team enviornment. It would then culminate in a no holds barred two hour finale with the fate of humanity at stake. This is just an idea of course. It's not that hard to make this show what it coud be.

 

[exodus]

Seriously, what exactly are you looking for the show to be?

Please, don't say:good!.

I'm looking for them to break formula. As fucked up and weird as everything is in the show right now, they're still following the exact same formula they were back in Season 1. It worked then because each episode felt like it was leading somewhere specific.

Season 2 and 3 are following the same formula (throwing out little pieces of the mystery, stopping a bad future, having all the characters off doing their own thing, etc), but Season 2 was a jumbled mess, and Season 3 feels even more random. Plot twists for the sake of plot twists, and so much time travel that it's hard to follow.

I'm not going to disagree with you because your perception is your perception and I'm fine with it.(If I wasn't, what could I do, right?)

All I'll say is I don't see it as hard to follow. Similar plot devise, yes but isn't every superhero story basically about saving the world anyway?

I'm more focused on figuring out who's a villain or not because everyone seems to be a shade of grey. Even the evil ones believe they're doing what their doing for a greater purpose and how there is no right or wrong, just choices that end in questionable results. I dig that aspect of the show.

 

[exodus]

It's just there.

I voted average because it's what it is. It's not good enough to be praised, nor it is bad enough to be upset about. Season 3 so far is a lateral (sp) move, at best. I think at this point, if season 4 is greenlit, it's a wonderful oppurtunity to do what they were originally going to do at the end of season 1 and recast from top to bottom. Here's my suggestion. First, wipe the slate clean. With the exception of Noah, everyone else and anything related to it like the Company goes bye bye. Kill 'em off, de-power them, or make them go into hiding. This crowd had its chance. Next, recast the show with people with new abilities that aren't so godlike like time travel and immortality and set limitations on those powers (e.g. Someone with mental abilites suffers from crippling migranes as a result of using them and so forth). And right from the get go, start splitting them up in factions of good and evil, with Noah assuming the role that I thought Mohinder was going have as the non-powered character to help the Heroes understand their abilites. And have some powerful corporate Luthor-esque figure controlling the Villans and have his plans that extend beyond just blowing up a city. Have the Heroes and Villans coordinate skirmishes with each other throughout the season, with the obligatory character growth and development that is associated in a team enviornment. It would then culminate in a no holds barred two hour finale with the fate of humanity at stake. This is just an idea of course. It's not that hard to make this show what it coud be.

Except for budget and people get attached to certain characters. Removing all of them would damage viewership and ratings would decline.

You're ideas are great on paper and would work in a regular comic but it's damaging for a TV show, honestly.

 

[RoJoHen]

^^I just want a straight-forward plot for once. And I want all the characters to work together. There can still be mysteries to solve, but I am just so tired of everything revolving around events that haven't even happened yet.

It doesn't matter what the crazy new future threat is, at the beginning each season they've reset to having the characters separate. Why do Hiro and Ando always have to have their own unique story?