Hemsworth confirms that he is in ST4

[Khan 2.0]

The story needs to feel important, a must-see. T

That's one thing time travel has always delivered in the movie series - a must see Trek film (yes even GEN) ..so now STB faltered at the box office its time to bring it back

Star Trek Beyond (which I love by the way) sailed close to Insurrection territory, in that the premise wasn't compelling enough.

yes there were that several plot points, imagery (seen in the early trailer) that evoked memories of Insurrection ..

 

[Nyotarules]

Me, too. Time travel has a pretty good track record where Trek is concerned: The Voyage Home, First Contact, Future's End, Little Green Men, Trial and Tribble-ations, Yesterday's Enterprise, Tapestry, All Our Yesterdays, Tomorrow is Yesterday, and, oh yes, City on the Edge of Forever. Star Trek and time-travel go together great.

Says the guy who has gone to that well in at least three novels.

And you're not biased are ya!

 

[Nyotarules]

What about Kirk at the beginning of STID stating the fact that no one was killed since he took command of the Enterprise? Casualties started mounting in the first story the comics did. Besides, Mudd's ship was used in the comic prequel to the movie, at that point they knew the movie's story and were adding elements from it into the comic. As for the Tribble, that wasn't one of them from that comic story. How could it be, none of those were killed.

I think in the comics one of the Tribbles died and Bones kept it for dissection? (have to read it again).

 

[Smellmet]

That's one thing time travel has always delivered in the movie series - a must see Trek film (yes even GEN) ..so now STB faltered at the box office its time to bring it back


yes there were that several plot points, imagery (seen in the early trailer) that evoked memories of Insurrection ..

Yeah the outdoor bits of Kralls base reminded me of that, it looked quite small, and I didn't like the design of the sets either. Those tower like structures that held the swarm - they were either not big enough, or there were nowhere near enough of them, considering the ridiculous amount of ships at the end.

 

[DonIago]

Perhaps the towers are primarily for maintenance...or they're scattered across the entirety of the planet.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Or the bulk of the swarm was composed of automated craft (i.e. ones without any kind of pilot, not even a drone) and the towers were only for those that were manned.

 

[Smellmet]

Either way, it contributed to the 'small scale' feeling of that part of the film for me. I expected to see more from a 150million dollar+ blockbuster. The rest of the movie felt big and expensive. This part just didn't to me. That's why it reminded me of Insurrection.

 

[shapeshifter]

Those tower like structures that held the swarm - they were either not big enough, or there were nowhere near enough of them, considering the ridiculous amount of ships at the end.

That bugged me too. I finally came up with a theory I can live with - the few structures seen around Krall's camp are for his highest ranking officers. Krall orders them and they pass the orders along to the millions of peons inhabiting unseen underground living/ship storage areas around the planet.

Now if I could just figure out why ships struggle to go through the nebula instead of going over, under or around the dammed thing.

 

[The Wormhole]

Now if I could just figure out why ships struggle to go through the nebula instead of going over, under or around the dammed thing.

Star Trek writers have always thought two-dimensionally.

 

[Ovation]

That bugged me too. I finally came up with a theory I can live with - the few structures seen around Krall's camp are for his highest ranking officers. Krall orders them and they pass the orders along to the millions of peons inhabiting unseen underground living/ship storage areas around the planet.

Now if I could just figure out why ships struggle to go through the nebula instead of going over, under or around the dammed thing.

There are no "millions of peons". The only living parts of Krall's crew were the alien woman, his top aide and himself. The rest were automatons re-purposed by Krall.

 

[Greg Cox]

Meanwhile, from a commercial perspective, the top-grossing TOS movie and the top-grossing TNG movie both involved time-travel. Perhaps that fact is not lost on Paramount?

 

[F. King Daniel]

So long as the villain isn't from Earth's past. Even without time travel, we've had that twice in a row.

 

[ralph]

....Now if I could just figure out why ships struggle to go through the nebula instead of going over, under or around the dammed thing.

Why do spacecraft navigate through the asteroid belt to reach Jupiter? Avoiding the waste of time and energy. It must be a giant nebula. The distances and sizes in the universe are very big.

 

[Timo]

The direct way from Earth to Jupiter is through the belt. But the belt is empty space, with specks of dust at a distance. This weird "nebula" is solid rock with narrow passages through it.

We see the "nebula" is solid rock both at the doorstep of Yorktown and at the doorstep of Altamid. The mighty starship travels its own length in two seconds there. It would take millions of years for it to span the whole distance at that speed. Is it easier going between the endpoints? (Why should it be that?)

Yet it would be massively worse if the nebula could be circumvented. Why is everybody an idiot and flies through instead? If the putative detour were a million times longer than the direct route, it would still be faster (see above). And the existence of such a detour would mean the "nebula" would be an extremely thin (a couple of lightyears at most) but extremely wide (wider than the galaxy, to compensate for the speed difference in evidence) flat shield bifurcating the universe just between Yorktown and Altamid.

We see no sign of the rubble field not surrounding Altamid from every direction. The plot clearly assumes that the rubble route is the only one possible, not just between Yorktown and Altamid, but between Altamid and all the other points of the universe. So the lesser evil here is to believe that the rubble field is significantly more navigable in its center parts than at the inner (Altamid) and outer (Yorktown) shells and allows for warp travel.

Or then we can assume that we never saw the difficult-to-navigate nebula in the movie at all. Instead, we saw two very dense asteroid belts, Yorktown and Altamid both happening to have one next to them, and the difficulty of flying through those was unrelated to the difficulty of warping through the never-seen nebula.

Heck, the "new warp effect" could be dismissed as being what warp looks like to a third party when it happens in the outer fringes of a nebula. Namely, the fringes inside which the Yorktown has been constructed, at a depth where the going isn't too bad yet.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Franklin]

I think I got through the prior posts, but if this was mentioned above, my apologies.

It wouldn't necessarily have to be time travel. If by some freaky quirk of luck and fate, George Kirk survived ramming the Kelvin into the Narada (it certainly didn't look like anyone could've survived, but still the Kirk's seem to have remarkable luck -- and it's not like anyone had ever confirmed his death, it's just assumed) then maybe he was captured by the Klingons along with the Narada crew (in the scenes edited out of ST09). When Nero escaped, George Kirk was left behind. Maybe he's been on that Klingon prison planet for the last thirty-five years or so. Maybe now, given the rise of his son's career and the reputation Jim Kirk may have by then with the Klingons, George has value to the Klingon Empire that makes revealing him useful as part of some plan.

It's not like George Kirk would be old. If he was 26 when Jim was born, depending on the movie's timeline, he'd be somewhere around 60, give or take a year -- or about Jim Kirk's age at the time of TUC. It wouldn't take much makeup to age Hemsworth into a virile 60-ish man, especially with those Kirk genes.

 

[The Wormhole]

If he was 26 when Jim was born,

George was 29. Jim notes in Beyond that by turning 30 he's now one year older than his dad got to be.

 

[Franklin]

George was 29. Jim notes in Beyond that by turning 30 he's now one year older than his dad got to be.

Oops. Fair enough. I was going with Hemsworth being 26 in 2009, which is a dicey in aging characters, of course. Still, if three years pass until ST4, then that means George would be 62 (or so), which Hemsworth could still believably pull off (at least I think so).

 

[gerbil]

I think in the comics one of the Tribbles died and Bones kept it for dissection? (have to read it again).

Yes, the Countdown to Darkness series. Which is quite good. Overseen by Orci.

I really enjoyed the Continuing comic series and the standalone specials Nero and Khan. Khan, especially, does a good job of retconning some of the things in Into Darkness. Or, since it also was overseen by Orci, explaining some of the backstory.

 

[Nyotarules]

Yes, the Countdown to Darkness series. Which is quite good. Overseen by Orci.

I really enjoyed the Continuing comic series and the standalone specials Nero and Khan. Khan, especially, does a good job of retconning some of the things in Into Darkness. Or, since it also was overseen by Orci, explaining some of the backstory.

Haven't read the Nero or Khan comics, did you read the Prime Spock series, made me roll my eyes at the stupidity of the Vulcan government.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

They're hurting. Their whole world is gone and they're supposed to trust the word of the guy they (partially) blame? It's asking a lot.