HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams

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  1. DigificWriter

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    I spoiled myself on tonight's episode, and now I'm thinking about waiting until after the last episode airs to actually watch it so that I'll get to get to the resolution of the story immediately instead of going crazy having to wait a week.
     
  2. The Mariah Has Awoken

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    If I understand correctly, Bernard knew he couldn’t save the world, and there was only a small number of people he had any chance to save, so he did all that strictly to give the resistance and Caleb a shot to survive robo-William’s nihilistic endgame.
     
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  3. thribs

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    So the show has now become the plot of Kingsman. Just with less Freebird.
     
  4. 1987SpaceGuy

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    fun episode.

    • Maeve to Halores: heard you had lost your mind, didn't think it was that literally (paraphrased) :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    • Akecheta cameo :adore:
    • wonderful visuals and a fun two-way water battle became a three-way for a short bit (Halores vs Maeve vs MIB) leaving out the short lived "hostroid".
    • the MIB vs MIB host scenes were excellent.
    • Bernard was alluding to Stubbs that he won't make it, when in fact Bernard knew he himself wasn't going to make it and didn't want Stubbs - who had orders to protect him - to come with him and/or fell guilty and do "whatever thing" is required for the outcome - Stubbs just asumed wrong, funny smirk on his face when he got away at the train station.

    • why didn't Chekovs Bernards gun go off (yet), which he hid in one of the entrance attempts with Maeve in the tunnel?
    • host Caleb will sacrifice himself in some way/form so Frankie lives in the finale
     
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  5. The Mariah Has Awoken

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    Bernard basically blew up the world to the specific end of getting Caleb out of there.

    It’s unclear if that Caleb has the time limit of the other Calebs. But Bernard also specifically left the gate open, so I would not be surprised if Caleb spends his dying breath to jump off Hoover Dam.
     
  6. Q2UnME

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    WTF did I just watch? :whistle: ;)
     
  7. Tuskin38

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    Maybe it was a red herring.
     
  8. wayoung

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    Finale is now streaming, in Canada at least.
     
  9. thribs

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    Just started airing on HBO/Sky Atlantic.
    Sounds like season 5 in 2 years will be the last. All set in a movie aspect ratio world. :)
     
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  10. The Mariah Has Awoken

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    I thought the finale was well executed overall. I’m worried now it’s going to turn out that we are all in the sublime undergoing Dolores’ test.

    What I didn’t like was the assumption the human survivors wouldn’t last long just because humans bad. That seemed, I dunno, “Easy-edgy”. They didn’t give us any solid story reasons that the outliers would automatically kill each other besides the show’s general misanthropic thesis.

    But now I think we can reasonably assume the last scene in season 2 happened in Dolores’ game.

    Come to think of it I again forgot to wait till the end of the credits.
     
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  11. wayoung

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    Did we ever find out exactly what transcending was? We saw them taking the pearls out and putting them in the other device but that's all. I assumed they were being uploaded into the cloud, being pure software like the sublime hosts, but in the real world's networks instead of the sublimes locked hard drives. I can't recall ever seeing a clear answer on that though.
     
  12. wayoung

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    There wasn't anything post credits.

    Yeah, Delores said they will all die, no other reason was given for why they will die. Unless when she was in the sublime she saw Bernard's simulation data, or ran her own.
    Edit to add: Rehoboam apparently stated it as well, people are sharing screenshots from season 3
     
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  14. thribs

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    So did they turn the Free Bird off or are humans still killing each other? :)
     
  15. wayoung

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    We also never found out if Halores was telling the truth about being able to fix the human-host upload like she told Caleb she could.
     
  16. DigificWriter

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    I once again just couldn't stay away from Spoilers, and so I'm left feeling frustrated about some things right now, although not to the degree that I was after the end of Game of Thrones, and I think the difference is that with Westworld there was actually precedence for things to go in the direction that they went and so while I might be frustrated and disappointed that there was a lie told about the nature of one particular character in Season 4, there are at least narrative fallback justifications for that lie that didn't exist with GoT.
     
  17. 1987SpaceGuy

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    ugh - what a mostly whimper ending of season 4 (and maybe the series*)

    *according to Joy/Nolan renewal hasn't been confirmed/given.
    *Ed Harris earlier this year stated filming starts next (2023) April - which would mean 2024 at the earliest

    So Bernard's hiding the gun in the tunnel was indeed part of the plan :hugegrin:

    didn't like
    • the way Stubbs died - wanted a more badass/heroic death
    • Celementine going the wrong way to go about freedom/survival :shrug:
    • no Maeve in some shape or form :weep:
    • very little Bernard in some shape or form :(
    • focus on Cristina/Dolores/Teddy :thumbdown:
    • Halores badass upgraded "metallic carbon" host body was in use just once...
    liked
    • Halores vs MIB talsk and fights
    • enjoyed Halores pearl crushing MIB and herself later - tough the creepy quarter split open face is still nightmare stuff.
    • glad host 270-something Caleb stayed back on the pier (the character has run it's course IMO)
    • Cristina's fictional roommate (which was an underused character and actress IMO) seeing the beautiful things - as she said in the park.
    happy
    • Frankie/C made it on the boat
    sad
    • still wish we had get to see Felix support Maeve in some shape or form in later season's.
    ????
    • that post-credits scene at the end of Season 2
    • IF season 5: could Dolores somehow restoring humanity through host bodies - accomplishing what humans and Halores failed to do — but why would she bring back MIB/William?


    Every game has it's rules, we just need to know how to break them - Maeve
     
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  18. Tuskin38

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    I imagine we will see old characters in Season 4 based on that ending.
     
  19. Mr. Adventure

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    William calling the sniper a "camper" was funny.
     
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  20. Tuskin38

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    He would have been a kid in the era that was popular slang in games as well.