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Spoilers Hawkeye -Discussion Thread

Also the character is very much a part of Echo's backstory in the comics, and I think D'Onofrio is supposed to have posted something coy on social media a few weeks back.
 
Given Echo's classic backstory, it really wouldn't make any sense whatsoever for 'Uncle' to be anyone other than the Kingpin. And given the fact that Feige just recently hard confirmed he wanted to keep Charlie Cox as Daredevil, any version of the Kingpin has got to be D'Onofrio, since he was even more celebrated in his role than Cox. Plus, as has been said, that chuckle we heard on the show sounded exactly like him.
 
"The green guy" and "the flag guy" are some of the cringiest lines I've ever heard. You realised exactly how "connected" to the MCU those shows were gonna be when you heard that.

(just to say if you didn't care about that kinda stuff fair enough, but they were the ones with all that "it's all connected" marketing stuff going on)

I think the problem is that because the Netflix shows were Netflix/Marvel collaborations and not 100% Marvel, Netflix literally COULDN'T use the names without paying extra because the deal was limited to only certain characters and not all of Marvel.
 
Also the character is very much a part of Echo's backstory in the comics, and I think D'Onofrio is supposed to have posted something coy on social media a few weeks back.
He retweeted one of the Hawkeye trailers with a brief message saying how excited he was about its premiere.
 
I'm seeing the new Spidey flick 2 hours after episode 5 is released. I'll watch it on my way to the cinema so I don't get spoiled as people keep saying this episode will supposedly break the internet.
 
Only just now catching up with the thread...

I love how the MCU is slowly laying the groundwork for the next version of the Avengers - so far we most likely have Yelena, Shang Chi and then it's Kate Bishop and i wonder who will be next.

Wouldn't Scarlet Witch and Captain America/Sam be part of the list? Or are you thinking of the Young Avengers specifically?


Whitney Frost got used in Agent Carter, but was never actually referred to by her nom de guerre on that show (and is obviously of dubious canonicity relative to the wider MCU these days).

Agent Carter was more closely connected to the movie side than the other MCU shows, since its showrunners were the writers of several of the movies. It's the only MCU show that's been directly referenced in a movie, with James D'Arcy reprising his role as Edwin Jarvis in Endgame. So if any of the pre-Disney+ TV shows are still considered canonical, that one probably is.


I don't consider the different appearance of the Darkhold to be a contradiction because the book is, you know, Magic.

Agreed. Given that it's an ancient book from another dimension, it's highly unlikely that its original cover had the word "DARKHOLD" on it in English. I've always assumed that's the same sort of thing as its interior text, transforming for the benefit of the reader/viewer.


Will Alaqua Cox be the first disabled actor to be the lead of a major TV/streaming series?

Depends on how you define "lead." Marlee Matlin was co-lead of Reasonable Doubts alongside Mark Harmon, though she was second-billed.

I guess it also depends on how you define "disabled." If achondroplasia/dwarfism counts, then David Rappaport had the lead role in The Wizard in 1986-7.
 
Only just now catching up with the thread...



Wouldn't Scarlet Witch and Captain America/Sam be part of the list? Or are you thinking of the Young Avengers specifically?

I don't know if they will split the teams up into Young Avengers and "proper" Avengers. I doubt it due to time/movie slots constraints but with Marvel you never know ( could well be that they will make a Young Avengers streaming show and the big Avengers movies for the theaters).

As of right now i don't know anything more than anybody else outside of Marvel but they are clearly building the characters up the same as they did in phase 1 and 2, so they must have long term plans for them and the actors are keeping their mouths wisely shut ( the NDA was probably printed with bold letters and in red, possibly with a video specially made for Tom Holland :lol:).
 
I think it was in the comics. This is the first time they have been using it in the shows/movies I believe.
And it actually makes sense; that guy has been around a LOT of explosions and other concussive head trauma, and he's the only one of the team who isn't in some way either enhanced, super-human or totally encased in armor. At least I think so. I forget, was there any indication if the Widows were given a version of the serum or not?
 
As of right now i don't know anything more than anybody else outside of Marvel but they are clearly building the characters up the same as they did in phase 1 and 2

Yeah, this show definitely feels like it's designed to pass the Hawkeye mantle from Clint to Kate. Which is fine with me, since I've never found Jeremy Renner particularly appealing, whereas I'm quite enjoying Hailee Steinfeld as Kate.
 
And it actually makes sense; that guy has been around a LOT of explosions and other concussive head trauma, and he's the only one of the team who isn't in some way either enhanced, super-human or totally encased in armor. At least I think so. I forget, was there any indication if the Widows were given a version of the serum or not?

The Widows aren't super human, just super trained and with gadgets.
 
The Widows aren't super human, just super trained and with gadgets.
Well the reason I asked is that I think in the comics they (or maybe just Natasha and indeed Nick IIRC) have had some version of the serum to make them not-quite-super-human-but-slightly-more-super-then-non-super-human-human . . . or something like that. Also we know the Red Room wasn't above bio-chemical enhancement (the pheromone lock leaps to mind, plus whatever they did to Taskmaster), so there's an outside chance Nat and at least the late gen Widows had a little extra, whether they knew about it or not. I just couldn't remember if the movie directly hinted at it or not.
 
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You would think Tony Stark would have also been really beat up. While he does have the Iron Man suits you still got a fragile human body inside their being jossed around .
 
You would think Tony Stark would have also been really beat up. While he does have the Iron Man suits you still got a fragile human body inside their being jossed around .
I assume there is some sort of padding otherwise he'd be jelly.
 
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