Spoilers Hawkeye -Discussion Thread

[LaxScrutiny]

Wait, there was only like 5 minutes of credits at the end? I was expecting 10 or 15, not including the all the other languages. That was nothing like the other Marvel shows.

Other than that, the episodes were amazing, and I agree with pretty much everything stated above.

I did find it odd that Kate's mom wanted to leave, but ended up staying in the incredibly rebuilt penthouse after Kate's dad died....

Sometimes when someone you love dies in a place, that place doesn't become a horror show, it becomes a place of loving remembrance that's hard to let go of. Like, remembering the life, not the death. Like my grandfather who died in our living room. My mum got rid of the rocking chair he died in, I think she burned it. All I really remember was the old guy who was always so happy to see me.

Other times it's just easier for the producers to keep using the same sets.

Wait, Echo is a bad guy? I thought she was a hero in the comics?

AFAIK she was good, but at times controlled or manipulated. Out and out bad? Not to my recollection. She ended up with a history of different identities and was Phoenix last time I read..

 

[CorporalClegg]

This was way better than it had any right to be.

The cold open was absolutely brilliant. And, I might add, way back when the rumors about BvS started showing up, is the exact sort of thing I was hoping to see.

I think it would be really interesting if it turns out that Clint has Meniere's. The idea of someone whose entire MO revolves around high places suffering from chronic vertigo has a lot of potential worth exploring.

**Oh and I actually expected the LARP sticker on the fire engine to be some comic deep-dive acronym that I didn't have a clue about. I literally spit my water when he got to the park.

 

[Finn]

Wait, there was only like 5 minutes of credits at the end? I was expecting 10 or 15, not including the all the other languages. That was nothing like the other Marvel shows.

Other than that, the episodes were amazing, and I agree with pretty much everything stated above.



Sometimes when someone you love dies in a place, that place doesn't become a horror show, it becomes a place of loving remembrance that's hard to let go of. Like, remembering the life, not the death. Like my grandfather who died in our living room. My mum got rid of the rocking chair he died in, I think she burned it. All I really remember was the old guy who was always so happy to see me.

Other times it's just easier for the producers to keep using the same sets.

AFAIK she was good, but at times controlled or manipulated. Out and out bad? Not to my recollection. She ended up with a history of different identities and was Phoenix last time I read..

Yes, I realize that, but I got the feeling something was really going on,as if they were hiding something from Kate...probably something related to the threats Kate's mother was getting from Armand the third in the "present day".

 

[CorporalClegg]

I think mom might be the baddie.

It just seems like the whole "oblivious, love-struck mom ignores child's warning signs of would-be stepparent" to be a bit too trite given the otherwise quality of the show.

 

[Xerxes82]

AFAIK she was good, but at times controlled or manipulated. Out and out bad? Not to my recollection. She ended up with a history of different identities and was Phoenix last time I read..

In terms of her backstory, she started as an enforcer for the Kingpin. An encounter with Matt Murdock and then Daredevil (whom she didn't know was Matt) changed that and turned her around.

 

[Anwar]

I think mom might be the baddie.

It just seems like the whole "oblivious, love-struck mom ignores child's warning signs of would-be stepparent" to be a bit too trite given the otherwise quality of the show.

Plus, you don't hire Vera Farmiga for a bit part like "disapproving mother".

This is like when Agent Carter had Bridget Regan as a supposed "Innocent Country Girl trying to live in New York". We all realized she had to be something more.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Plus, you don't hire Vera Farmiga for a bit part like "disapproving mother".

This is like when Agent Carter had Bridget Regan as a supposed "Innocent Country Girl trying to live in New York". We all realized she had to be something more.

Likewise Brian d'Arcy James.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Likewise Brian d'Arcy James.

Hmm... We never did see the body.

 

[Caretaker]

Hmm... We never did see the body.

That was Brian D'Arcy James? Somehow I missed that in the credits - I didn't recognize him at all when he was onscreen.

 

[Greg Cox]

Plus, you don't hire Vera Farmiga for a bit part like "disapproving mother".

This is like when Agent Carter had Bridget Regan as a supposed "Innocent Country Girl trying to live in New York". We all realized she had to be something more.

I'm reminded of the time the OG version of THE 4400 cast Alice Krige as a seemingly minor character. Didn't buy it for a moment; you don't hire the Borg Queen to play a friendly visiting aunt. Sure enough, she was Not What She Seemed.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Outside of a few minor continuity glitches in the Battle of New York sequence, that was damn near perfect. Hailee Steinfeld is letter perfect as Kate and her and Clint's dynamic rings true to the comics. Matt Fraction is listed as a Consulting Producer, and his influence shows.

Glad they brought up his friendship with Natasha. I suspect Kate will be filling that void somewhat for Clint. Interesting that he's mentored Natasha, Wanda and now Kate. Growing up with the character from the comics, I never would have guessed he would become Marvel's father figure.

Matt Fraction's involvement is detailed in this featurette.

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[Guy Gardener]

Plus, you don't hire Vera Farmiga for a bit part like "disapproving mother".

This is like when Agent Carter had Bridget Regan as a supposed "Innocent Country Girl trying to live in New York". We all realized she had to be something more.

What if she's the Cosmic Madonna?

Mantis raised and trained at a Kung Fu Kree Temple?

Clint is going to freak when he sees the Swordsman.

Does that put the Mandarin back in play?

 

[Starkers]

Lalo from Better Call Saul! He has the same smug attitude!

I knew I recognised him from somewhere!

The first two episodes were good. I'm never entirely sold by Renner, I've really enjoyed him in somethings and found him very drab in others, but he's really good value here, as for Kate, that's really the little girl from True Grit isn't it!

Stepdad is way too obviously evil, not saying he isn't evil but I doubt he's behind everything!

So are we figuring the idea is for Renner to step down as Hawkeye and for Kate to become the new Hawkeye?

Oh and I'm calling it now, that dog is more than it seems. Can Skrulls disguise themselves as animals? Who do we know with one eye? Nick Fury, Thor...Odin?

 

[thribs]

I want the stepdad to be a good guy. I prefer the idea that the mother is pure evil

 

[Xerxes82]

I want the stepdad to be a good guy. I prefer the idea that the mother is pure evil

Well, stepdad is the Swordsman. So probably not a good guy. Though it wouldn't be the first time the MCU used a character in a different way onscreen to keep comic fans guessing.

I've seen some speculation (and that's all, just speculation) that Eleanor may be being set up as the MCU Madame Masque, who has basically become comic book Kate's signature villain. Whitney Frost got used in Agent Carter, but was never actually referred to by her nom de guerre on that show (and is obviously of dubious canonicity relative to the wider MCU these days). Might make for an interesting turn, and would certainly fit Farmiga's billing. The only question becomes whether Swordsman is a red herring, a henchman or a partner.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I knew I recognised him from somewhere!

The first two episodes were good. I'm never entirely sold by Renner, I've really enjoyed him in somethings and found him very drab in others, but he's really good value here, as for Kate, that's really the little girl from True Grit isn't it!

Stepdad is way too obviously evil, not saying he isn't evil but I doubt he's behind everything!

So are we figuring the idea is for Renner to step down as Hawkeye and for Kate to become the new Hawkeye?

Oh and I'm calling it now, that dog is more than it seems. Can Skrulls disguise themselves as animals? Who do we know with one eye? Nick Fury, Thor...Odin?

The dog is from the Fraction comics.

There was an entire comics from the dogs perspective.

All the humans sounded like Charlie Brown's teacher.

"Me, maw maw mah."

(Except for a word or two, or pictograms where the dog with figuring out (spoken) English from context.)

It can be more, but it's its own thing in it's own right.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Does that put the Mandarin back in play?

Spoiler

He's dead

 

[Finn]

I knew I recognised him from somewhere!

The first two episodes were good. I'm never entirely sold by Renner, I've really enjoyed him in somethings and found him very drab in others, but he's really good value here, as for Kate, that's really the little girl from True Grit isn't it!

Stepdad is way too obviously evil, not saying he isn't evil but I doubt he's behind everything!

So are we figuring the idea is for Renner to step down as Hawkeye and for Kate to become the new Hawkeye?

Oh and I'm calling it now, that dog is more than it seems. Can Skrulls disguise themselves as animals? Who do we know with one eye? Nick Fury, Thor...Odin?

Yes. I'm not all that versed in the Marvel comics, but I've read something about a "sentient dog" akin to Rocket and Howard the Duck. I was wondering if that dog was that very dog???

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes. I'm not all that versed in the Marvel comics, but I've read something about a "sentient dog" akin to Rocket and Howard the Duck. I was wondering if that dog was that very dog???

I thought that was the Cosmonaut Dog

 

[Anwar]

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They really wrote a whole thing just for that 30 second bit we ended up seeing...now that's dedication.