Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but this

[BillJ]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I think the reason why people don't like the Enterprise sitting on land is because of how it's built. The huge heavy saucer is held up by that little slanted neck and the nacelles supported by those thin fingers, and that's fine in the weightlessness of space. But the ship should, I guess, start bending and collapsing under the strain if sitting on the surface. The holoship in Insurrection, on the other hand, was a box. It was built specifically for the purpose of being hidden and flown through the atmosphere. Big difference between the two.

I guess we have to work under one of two assumptions here...

1. That whatever planetside facility is building a starship has 'structural integrity fields' that it uses until the ship can generate power and create its own.

2. The design and materials involved make the ship are far more robust and structurally sound than we believe.

Either work for me.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I think the question is, where can they put the Enterprise in the next movie that will piss the most nitpickers off even more?

I actually hope they do. They've pulled this off twice already. I say go for broke.

I think it'll have a cloak in the next film and that's how it'll make its big reveal. It'll be pretty messy here with all the heads exploding.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I think the reason why people don't like the Enterprise sitting on land is because of how it's built. The huge heavy saucer is held up by that little slanted neck and the nacelles supported by those thin fingers, and that's fine in the weightlessness of space. But the ship should, I guess, start bending and collapsing under the strain if sitting on the surface.

Nope. For all you know there's all sorts of tractor beam & special antigravity devices at work on the construction site, supporting the whole ship just fine.

At the construction site, fine. But what about later? Of course, anyone can say "this was reinforced and whatever" but the design does not suggest it would be good for anything but a gravity free environment. The more reinforced the neck and nacelle struts become, the more weight you add. aside from budgetary, there's a reason the Enterprise didn't do atmospheric trips, the anomalous high altitude scene in Tomorrow is Yesterday notwithstanding. The TOS-R version also makes the ship much lower than it looked originally.

There are new rules for the JJ movies and that's fine. I am just suggesting why some people have an issue with the Enterprise on land. This Enterprise has no such trouble.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

The more reinforced the neck and nacelle struts become, the more weight you add. aside from budgetary, there's a reason the Enterprise didn't do atmospheric trips, the anomalous high altitude scene in Tomorrow is Yesterday notwithstanding. The TOS-R version also makes the ship much lower than it looked originally.

I remember the New Voyages episode where they had the Enterprise fly through the Guardian of Forever's big brother. Which was on the ground.

 

[Tribble puncher]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

If I were to dive (got it? "dive" ) into treknology, those warp engines are said to collect hydrogen from space through those front globes, and the average density of gas in the Galaxy is of only one atom per cubic centimeter. In other words they are awesome suckers. How can that work in a absurdly denser medium, like saltwater?

Hey it's Toad from Super Mario! Where's his face?

 

[CorporalClegg]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Where's his face?

Underwater?

 

[PsychoPere]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Even if I had been inclined to give a damn about the Enterprise being underwater, Scotty's line about it being a ridiculous place to hide absolved the film of any potential griping on my part*. It was a perfect example of self-awareness on the part of the production and writing team, and I enjoyed the sight of the ship emerging from the water.

(I don't think the lack of such a line would have made me care any more, but I thought it was an amusing addition.)

 

[Captain Rob]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I guess in the next movie the Enterprise will hide underground. She will have a big reveal climbing skyward. It will look just like the flying saucer scene at the end of "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull". In other words. Stupid.

 

[Belz...]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

In other words, awesome, you mean !

 

[Opus]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I guess in the next movie the Enterprise will hide underground. She will have a big reveal climbing skyward. It will look just like the flying saucer scene at the end of "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull".

Or another famous spaceship reveal, and this one's been around for decades...

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrCBX4ifDVY[/yt]

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

OK, so basically the Enterprise is a space-going, faster-than-light submarine that was built between two corn fields in Iowa.

I need a drink.

 

[Opus]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I wonder if some fans are shocked and amazed that submarines don't explode when they surface?

OK, so basically the Enterprise is a space-going, faster-than-light submarine that was built between two corn fields in Iowa.

Yes, but don't worry - It still can go faster-than-light due to the magic crystals, so it's all good.

I need a drink.

Cheers!

 

[Sindatur]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I wonder if some fans are shocked and amazed that submarines don't explode when they surface?

OK, so basically the Enterprise is a space-going, faster-than-light submarine that was built between two corn fields in Iowa.

Yes, but don't worry - It still can go faster-than-light due to the magic crystals, so it's all good.

I used to have a couple of neighbors who used Crystal to go fast, but, their plots were always riddled with paranoid cliches and completely incomprehensible

 

[JWD75]

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Is having the Enterprise underwater really any more unbelievable than having it shrunk down and placed on a table in Requiem for Methuselah?

 

[nightwind1]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

OK, so basically the Enterprise is a space-going, faster-than-light submarine that was built between two corn fields in Iowa.

I need a drink.

Make sure it's... green.

 

[Captain Rob]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I guess in the next movie the Enterprise will hide underground. She will have a big reveal climbing skyward. It will look just like the flying saucer scene at the end of "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull".

Or another famous spaceship reveal, and this one's been around for decades...

Wow! I used to watch "Star Blazers" as a little kid religeously after school. I want to see this movie real bad, but I don't want to pay for it. Come on Netflix!

 

[beamMe]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I guess in the next movie the Enterprise will hide underground. She will have a big reveal climbing skyward. It will look just like the flying saucer scene at the end of "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull".

Or another famous spaceship reveal, and this one's been around for decades...

Wow! I used to watch "Star Blazers" as a little kid religeously after school. I want to see this movie real bad, but I don't want to pay for it. Come on Netflix!

If the rebuilt hull of a sunk Japanese WWII-battleship can withstand all this, surely the starship Enterprise can too.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYd8dC_WDVw[/yt]

 

[Belz...]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Wait, the space battleship Yamato is the _original_ Yamato ?

 

[SeerSGB]

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Wait, the space battleship Yamato is the _original_ Yamato ?

Yeppers. The wreck was discovered when the oceans of the world dried up and rebuilt into (space battleship) Yamato. Granted there's a shite ton of alien technology behind the rebuild and you could argue that the (space battleship) Yamato is and isn't the original Yamato since it's a total rebuild.

 

[beamMe]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Wait, the space battleship Yamato is the _original_ Yamato ?

Yes. That's why the Yamato was renamed as the Argo in the US.