Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but this

[Mage]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Yeah, I'm not too nitpicky on the tedious stuff when we're talking about a warp drive run on magic crystals and matter/energy conversion transportation device that doesn't explode with the heat of a trillion suns every time it's used.

Again, QFT.

Then again, I still feel that people complaining about ST09 and STID are doing so mostly because of wanting to complain. People who decided the moment they heard these movies were being made to hate the living daylights out of them, and never even giving them a change.
Sure, some people went in openminded, and came out disappointed. That, I respect. But the majority of the haters went to their first viewing, minds already made up that these movies were bad as hell. You're not going to form an unbiased opinion that way.
There were plenty of little things in both movies, both purely Trek-related and things you could apply to any movie, that were less then perfect. But they still entertained the heck out of me!!

 

[C.E. Evans]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I could see some (minor) quibbling about the Enterprise being conveniently built in Riverside so that a certain Iowa farm boy wouldn't have to travel all the way to San Francisco (much less into space) to gaze at the ship being built during a dramatic moment, but as far as the Enterprise being underwater, she dang well better be able to do that, IMO.

 

[Opus]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

I agree with you. For some, STiD was a movie they couldn't wait to hate. And that's a sad commentary, and a complete waste of one's time and energy.

Me? I loved it!

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

If I were to dive (got it? "dive" ) into treknology, those warp engines are said to collect hydrogen from space through those front globes, and the average density of gas in the Galaxy is of only one atom per cubic centimeter. In other words they are awesome suckers. How can that work in a absurdly denser medium, like saltwater?

Hydrogen density would be much higher underwater than in open space, no?

It's an amphibious starship.

For some reason this made me laugh out loud. Salamander starships.

Tough talk coming from an iguana.

 

[Cmdr.Druss]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

As others have said I thought the seen looked great.

The only issue I had was from an in-universe point of view:
If the Kirk, Spock and company were so concerned with protecting the Nibiru (sp?) from seeing the Enterprise and other outside influences... Why take the ship into the planet at all?

Surely the Enterprise descending and submerging into water was just as noticeable as the ship leaving.

Why not send down 1 or 2 incognito shuttles (it's not as if they used their transporters anyway)?

 

[Cinema Geekly]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

As others have said I thought the seen looked great.

The only issue I had was from an in-universe point of view:
If the Kirk, Spock and company were so concerned with protecting the Nibiru (sp?) from seeing the Enterprise and other outside influences... Why take the ship into the planet at all?

Surely the Enterprise descending and submerging into water was just as noticeable as the ship leaving.

Why not send down 1 or 2 incognito shuttles (it's not as if they used their transporters anyway)?

Well they couldn't do that cool scene then.

Perhaps the situation of Kirk needing to lure the natives away from danger zone while still being able to escape without revealing themselves might explain it good enough. I mean they couldn't know for sure that the natives would stop following him so he couldn't very well run to a hidden shuttle.

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Yeah, there was no real reason beyond "cool visuals" the Enterprise had to be underwater. Hell, in TAS they had aquatic shuttles, why not use those?

 

[CorporalClegg]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Not. Again.

 

[Kruezerman]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Was TAS ever considered canon?

 

[Dukhat]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Yeah, there was no real reason beyond "cool visuals" the Enterprise had to be underwater. Hell, in TAS they had aquatic shuttles, why not use those?

Er, yes, there was a reason. It was so the Nibiru natives could see it. I don't think the effect would have been quite the same on them if they only saw a dinky shuttle.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

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Space ships don't belong in the atmosphere...

Since when?

Besides, even in science fiction, it's alot more common than you'd think.

 

[Captain Rob]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Apparently the Enterprise was designed from the beginning to be able to handle submersion. Otherwise, they wouldn't have airlocks specifically for use with water (other fluids) complete with handles for people to hold onto while the airlock empties of water.
Would have hated to be the redshirt in the shuttlebay checking for leaks in the shuttlebay doors.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

For some reason this made me laugh out loud. Salamander starships.

Tough talk coming from an iguana.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Apparently the Enterprise was designed from the beginning to be able to handle submersion. Otherwise, they wouldn't have airlocks specifically for use with water (other fluids) complete with handles for people to hold onto while the airlock empties of water.
Would have hated to be the redshirt in the shuttlebay checking for leaks in the shuttlebay doors.

I suspect that was a mission-specific modification to an airlock, otherwise Scotty wouldn't have been so upset at the Enterprise spending the night in Nibiru's ocean.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Someone needs to re-post that infographic of all the similar things the Enterprise has done prior to this. Was it a creation of Locutus of Bored?

Yep. Here you go:

 

[F. King Daniel]

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Thanks!


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[The Wormhole]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

That's cute, although some of the comparisons aren't entirely fair. For example, Voyager under ice and Pegasus in an asteroid were both the result of those ships being destroyed. And we had technobabble to explain modifications made to the Delta Flyer, and even then it leaked.

 

[xvicente]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Remember the village-sized holoship hidden underwater in Star Trek: Insurrection?

I try to forget all abut that movie.

Despite being a comedy and a cartoon, it's Futurama that made the best argument I've seen so far. Seems the writers there are more scientific that what they have at Star Trek's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RLOo6bchU

Apparently the Enterprise was designed from the beginning to be able to handle submersion.

It seems so. It's the only thing that makes sense.

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Hydrogen density would be much higher underwater than in open space, no?

You dont seem to know what the word "density" means.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Remember the village-sized holoship hidden underwater in Star Trek: Insurrection?

I try to forget all abut that movie.

So you're not saying the underwater Enterprise is wrong by the established rules of Trek's universe, you're saying you wish they hadn't done it and that those rules were different.

 

[anh165]

Re: Having the Enterprise built on Earth was unbelievable enough but t

Remember the village-sized holoship hidden underwater in Star Trek: Insurrection?

I try to forget all abut that movie.

So you're not saying the underwater Enterprise is wrong by the established rules of Trek's universe, you're saying you wish they hadn't done it and that those rules were different.

Good luck, mate.