Have you ever gone back and changed your mind about a film?

[CaptainMatt]

I liked Star Trek:Generations when it cmae out and in the ensuing years have grown to not care as much for it as I did when it was the newest addition to the Trek franchise.
TMP was overly long when I saw it but have since in the past decade grown to appreciate it more.

 

[Rockman]

I used to rank my film preference based on how most others felt about them: even ones tended to be good, and the odd ones tended not to be that good.

No longer...

Here is the current rundown for me:

1. TUC
2. TVH
3. STAR TREK 2009
4. TMP (Its epic scale trumps the TV production values of TWOK.)
5. TWOK (Inspite of its TV production values, features superior dramatic presentation.)
6. TFF (I consider everything -- except for the special-effects -- done in this film to be superior to FC right down to the comedy.)
7. FC
8. GEN
9. TSFS (I only see it as a solid extension between II and IV.)
10. INS (An average episode at best, not worthy of feature film status.)
11. NEM (This does not feel like "Star Trek" to me; I am embarassed to show it to any of the non-fans.)

 

[Tina Lawton]

Nemisis had its flaws, most notably that the young Picard as shown in the picture had no hair. Young Picard just out of the academy had hair, as shown in the season seven Q episode (I don't recall the name atm). But that is a nitpick. The space combat scenes were excellent, and although Picard did come across a bit like John McClain in Die Hard toward the end, under the circumstances as depicted, him sitting on what was left of the bridge would not have accomplished anything. His diplomatic skills were less than useless at that point.

Oh, and the whole dune buggy thing was cheesy, apparently done simply because Stewart wanted to drive something in the movie. But still, I enjoyed Nemisis and still do.

 

[Amaris]

Nemisis had its flaws, most notably that the young Picard as shown in the picture had no hair. Young Picard just out of the academy had hair, as shown in the season seven Q episode (I don't recall the name atm). But that is a nitpick. The space combat scenes were excellent, and although Picard did come across a bit like John McClain in Die Hard toward the end, under the circumstances as depicted, him sitting on what was left of the bridge would not have accomplished anything. His diplomatic skills were less than useless at that point.

Oh, and the whole dune buggy thing was cheesy, apparently done simply because Stewart wanted to drive something in the movie. But still, I enjoyed Nemisis and still do.

The episode was "Tapestry" from TNG Season 6 (Episode 15).

 

[BillJ]

Nemisis had its flaws, most notably that the young Picard as shown in the picture had no hair. Young Picard just out of the academy had hair, as shown in the season seven Q episode (I don't recall the name atm). But that is a nitpick. The space combat scenes were excellent, and although Picard did come across a bit like John McClain in Die Hard toward the end, under the circumstances as depicted, him sitting on what was left of the bridge would not have accomplished anything. His diplomatic skills were less than useless at that point.

Oh, and the whole dune buggy thing was cheesy, apparently done simply because Stewart wanted to drive something in the movie. But still, I enjoyed Nemisis and still do.

But we don't know when that picture was taken, only that it was taken while he was at the Academy. He simply could've shaved his head to see what it was like or to be like other cadets...

Of all the problems the film had, this isn't one to lose sleep over.

 

[Dukhat]

But we don't know when that picture was taken, only that it was taken while he was at the Academy. He simply could've shaved his head to see what it was like or to be like other cadets...

Yeah, but that's not really the reason why the photo looks like that, is it? It looks like that because the producers thought the audience would be too stupid to make the connection that this is young Picard without making him bald to look like Shinzon. God forbid they show Tom Hardy with hair, because we retarded moviegoers would think it's a completely different person

 

[BillJ]

But we don't know when that picture was taken, only that it was taken while he was at the Academy. He simply could've shaved his head to see what it was like or to be like other cadets...

Yeah, but that's not really the reason why the photo looks like that, is it? It looks like that because the producers thought the audience would be too stupid to make the connection that this is young Picard without making him bald to look like Shinzon. God forbid they show Tom Hardy with hair, because we retarded moviegoers would think it's a completely different person

It's something that doesn't violate anything about what we know about the Picard character. I can't speak for behind-the-scenes reasoning to show him with a shaved head since I wasn't in the production meetings.

 

[Harvey]

In the script that was leaked online, Picard had hair when he was shown to be younger. I think that it's pretty likely that they went with the shaved head look to avoid confusing the audience (or, if you'd prefer, because they thought the audience was stupid) -- but that's assumption, not fact.

 

[Therin of Andor]

we retarded moviegoers would think it's a completely different person

We are not the "retarded moviegoers", the members of the general public are. The director obviously felt that putting a comb-over on Hardy for that pic might not have driven home the point he was trying to make.

We know Picard was a runner at the Academy; maybe he was also on the swim team.

 

[JarodRussell]

We are not the "retarded moviegoers", the members of the general public are.

Is that what you really think?

 

[KeepOnTrekking]

Have I ever gone back and changed my mind about a film? Definitely!! I couldn't stand Star Trek IV when it first came out. I couldn't stand the scenes on Earth...too contemporary. It struck me at the time the same way the forced humor schtick in Star Trek V came across to a lot of people. Now that I can look back at it twenty years later, it feels more like the way the humorous scenes played out in the 30's in "City on the Edge of Forever" or the 60's in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday."

 

[Dukhat]

It's something that doesn't violate anything about what we know about the Picard character. I can't speak for behind-the-scenes reasoning to show him with a shaved head since I wasn't in the production meetings.

I didn't say that it didn't violate anything about what we know about the Picard character. I was saying what I though the real reason for it was.

We are not the "retarded moviegoers", the members of the general public are.

I wasn't referring to the obvious geniuses that inhabit the TrekBBS when I said "we."

 

[Amasov]

I changed my mind slightly over STV. I still think it's the worst of the TOS films, but I've grown to appreciate it a little bit as a film that had some nice character moments, the Kirk, Spock, and McCoy relationship was something that I think a few of the other films lacked, so it was nice to see it again, and it was a movie that tried to be about something. It's for those reasons alone that I have grown to appreciate the film a bit more, but it's my least favorite of the films.

Used to HATE STIII, but I've grown to like it more over the years.

 

[CaptainMatt]

Never liked The Voyage Home but then grew to be able to appreciate it but overall I am now back to not being abl to handle watching all the then-present day scenes. I watch Star Trek for the future not retreads of past times.

 

[Patrick O'Brien]

TMP and Final Frontier and Nemesis are ones that have improved for me. TMP is actually one of my favorites now.

I agree. I enjoy TMP much more now than when I was a kid. The only one I am not that big on is Final Frontier, but it was good to see it in Blu-ray last week. I guess you could say it is growing on me too

 

[CaptainMatt]

TMP has grown in my list of favorites and least favorites. I think having it being my mom's favorite and the fact I recently got hold of the Director's SE DVD makes it better than originally thought for me. A shame characters like Decker and Illia are never seen again.

 

[HaventGotALife]

I've changed my mind on just about every one of the films because I was so young when my opinion first formed.

Initial Impressions:

I: Boring
II: Gory and boring
III: My favorite
IV: Boring
V: Fun to laugh at
VI: My second favorite
VII: Hate it
VIII: Great movie!
IX: Confusing
X: Horrible although I have no idea why.

I re-sampled Trek and discovered what it was to me, after Abrams Trek released the teaser trailer. It's about what's said in the song and the imagination of what we would find out there. It's about respect for all life, no matter its forms, the crew of the entire Enterprise, the burden of command and diplomacy, and when it comes to DS9, it was about putting the universe in peril to ask difficult questions about how realistic all this would be.

This framework changed my opinion.

I: Love the concept, the pace is a little slow in comparison to the series and Will's relationships were the weak points of the plot.
II: Love it. It's action, adventure, talks about the human condition (the nature of death), and Spock's death is a sacrifice.
III: Hate it. Turned Spock into a God and it's led to some bad Trek because they tried to make the senior officers into a family from here on.
IV: Hate it. No consequences for Kirk.
V: Seems like I re-hashed.
VI: I don't think the Klingons would act this way, and neither would Spock unless they want him to be blinded by loyalty throughout the whole movie.
VII: Hate it.
VIII: Hate it. I hate the fact they tell Cochrane who he will become. I wouldn't want to live my life's great adventure with a roadmap of who I was to become.
IX: My favorite Next Gen movie.
X: Bad Trek. Stop making films. Picard is too busy hand-wringing to see the danger posed to ship and crew. They are doing the same schitck until it becomes stale: Starfleet is naive, the world keeps kicking them around and they never learn. Period. I'm tired of it. Too much like DS9 and it means there's no point to DS9 or this movie. It's just to make money off the Trek name.

So there.

 

[Patrick O'Brien]

TMP has grown in my list of favorites and least favorites. I think having it being my mom's favorite and the fact I recently got hold of the Director's SE DVD makes it better than originally thought for me. A shame characters like Decker and Illia are never seen again.

I think I read somewhere that Riker and Deanna Troi were based on these characters? Though I could be mistaken.

How is the Directors cut of TMP, Matt?

 

[Therin of Andor]

I think I read somewhere that Riker and Deanna Troi were based on these characters? Though I could be mistaken.

Gosh, it's not as there's a shortage of information on "Star Trek: Phase II".
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Phase_II

Decker and Ilia evolved into Riker and Troi (in "The Child", Ilia unexpectedly gives birth to a girl, and this script was reused for TNG. So, too, was "Devil's Due".) Furthermore, Xon evolved into a male Vulcan, Dr Savik, who evolved into the female Lt Saavik in ST II. And Questor (the android from "The Questor Tapes") merged with Xon to evolve into Data.

How is the Directors cut of TMP

Worth a look. Highly controversial, but what revisions aren't? I miss a few things dropped from the theatrical and Special Longer Version, but it's a tighter, more polished film.

 

[JaxsBrokenHeart]

I used to think Generations sucked, but having watched it again I now realize it really, really, sucks.