Has the Typhon Pact Books Became Yuuhzan Vong Invasion of Star Trek

[Defcon]

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Question to the topicstarter (and people who agree with him): Does this mean you are actually looking less forward to the new DRGIII duology, David Mack's trilogy, Una McCormack's new novel, all just because they happen to have the Typhon Pact branding?

If I haven't missed an announcement, David Mack's trilogy won't have the Typhon Pact branding.

 

[Mage]

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Question to the topicstarter (and people who agree with him): Does this mean you are actually looking less forward to the new DRGIII duology, David Mack's trilogy, Una McCormack's new novel, all just because they happen to have the Typhon Pact branding?

If I haven't missed an announcement, David Mack's trilogy won't have the Typhon Pact branding.

Dammitdammitdammit, that's what you get for writing a rant when you're 5 minutes out of bed and haven't even finished your first cup of coffee.

 

[Patrick O'Brien]

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i actually really enjoyed the Typhon Pact series... apparently i'm in the minority here then lol

M

You are not alone Methos. I am a fan of the series as well

 

[Mage]

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i actually really enjoyed the Typhon Pact series... apparently i'm in the minority here then lol

M

You are not alone Methos. I am a fan of the series as well

As am I. I like the concept of the Typhon Pact, an almost Ying and Yang situation. It makes sense that for a number of alien governments that don't agree with the Federation, but can not stand alone against them, to band together in a way of standing the UFP off. It sets up some very nice (mostly political) situation. I know some people hate it that politics have been a bigger part of TrekLit in the last few years, but I love it. The TrekLit universe has gotten so much bigger then just a few starships out there in the last few years. For example, the chapters in novels like Destiny and A Singular Destiny focusing on the president and her staff, dealing with the effects of the Borg invasion on the whole of the Federation and it's citizens were just amazing.
It finally showed that not all of the Trek universe is set on ships of the line, exploring strange new worlds and fighting the good fights. It shows us that there are more aspects of life in the 24 century. It's one of the things I loved about Vanguard aswell, showing us life on cargoships, colonyworlds, Starfleet's JAG. I loved that.

And I feel that the Typhon Pact situation can give us more then just Starfleet. So yeah, bring on more Typhon Pact!!

 

[JoeZhang]

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Star Trek and Star Wars fans will always find something to complain about, and in TrekLit, the TP branding is it.

The thing is, hardly anything has changed!! It's not as if every book ends on a cliffhanger, and that you MUST read three other novels to understand (for example) Paths Of Disharmony. Is it more enjoyable to read the other novels? Hell yeah!! But necessary?? No.

Like I said, and I'll get flamed for this, but some people just need to complain, so they'll just find something.

Question to the topicstarter (and people who agree with him): Does this mean you are actually looking less forward to the new DRGIII duology, David Mack's trilogy, Una McCormack's new novel, all just because they happen to have the Typhon Pact branding? I mean, the stories are so diverse!! Just look at the three basic plotlines for Mack's new trilogy. If you had made the 'bad guys' (I hate that term) with three random old aliens, or new ones, no one would be complaining.

DRGIIII couldn't write a shop list, I'm avoiding his books for that reason and that reason alone.

 

[Mage]

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Star Trek and Star Wars fans will always find something to complain about, and in TrekLit, the TP branding is it.

The thing is, hardly anything has changed!! It's not as if every book ends on a cliffhanger, and that you MUST read three other novels to understand (for example) Paths Of Disharmony. Is it more enjoyable to read the other novels? Hell yeah!! But necessary?? No.

Like I said, and I'll get flamed for this, but some people just need to complain, so they'll just find something.

Question to the topicstarter (and people who agree with him): Does this mean you are actually looking less forward to the new DRGIII duology, David Mack's trilogy, Una McCormack's new novel, all just because they happen to have the Typhon Pact branding? I mean, the stories are so diverse!! Just look at the three basic plotlines for Mack's new trilogy. If you had made the 'bad guys' (I hate that term) with three random old aliens, or new ones, no one would be complaining.

DRGIIII couldn't write a shop list, I'm avoiding his books for that reason and that reason alone.

Yes, in fact he's so terrible a writer, then when asking TrekLit fans what their favorite novel is, one of his novels is named a lot (Serpent Amongst The Ruins). Although I haven't read it myself, Crucible is named as one of the best trilogy in Trek by a lot of fans, probably because DRGIII is such a bad writer.
You've made it clear that DRGIII is one your hitlist these days because of RBoE, but you don't have to bring it up all the time.
Personally, I think it's unfair that a lot of fans seem to forget the great novels DRGIII has given us, just because they have issues with RBoE. A real shame.....

 

[C.E. Evans]

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I think the only real similiarity between the Typhon Pact and the Vong would be if there was all-out war between them. Currently, that isn't the case. The Typhon Pact is currently a rival alternative to the Federation and the books have explored the societies of its founding members.

 

[F. King Daniel]

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Those miniseries all had the series titles on the cover - "Star Trek: The Next Generation" and "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine", etc. Typhon Pact just had "Star Trek: Typhon Pact".

Because the Typhon Pact novels, so far, have been much of a mishmash featuring characters from multiple series', or (in the case of DS9) characters that have moved on. A "Deep Space Nine" branding for a book about Sisko on the USS Robinson and Spock's Unification movement would be a misnomer.

 

[Christopher]

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Because the Typhon Pact novels, so far, have been much of a mishmash featuring characters from multiple series', or (in the case of DS9) characters that have moved on. A "Deep Space Nine" branding for a book about Sisko on the USS Robinson and Spock's Unification movement would be a misnomer.

Again, that's making the mistake of taking a property of a single book in the series and generalizing it to the whole thing. That applies to Rough Beasts of Empire, sure -- it was part Sisko/DS9, part Spock, part Romulans. But the other four installments of the five to date were all single-series -- one built around characters and species from DS9, one pure Titan, two pure TNG. RBoE is the only one that it would be difficult to assign a single-series label to.

Although from the sound of it, the upcoming Typhon Pact duology is more of a multiseries crossover, involving at least TNG and DS9.

 

[Patrick O'Brien]

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I agree with Mage, DRGIII has done some decent Trek stories. I for one thought Serpents Among the Ruins was awesome. Although Rough Beasts of Empire is not my favorite TP book, I did enjoy it. Sisko is a complicated character and the book continues this theme.

I have faith enough in David's writing that I pre-ordered his next two books for my kindle. The descriptions of the books sound very intriguing and the cover art is nice too The books will be out in May and June. I am sure the polls on this site will be set up soon, and judge him fairly on his latest work.

 

[ATimson]

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Not true. Most online retailers have some kind of a "look inside", or read a sample option somewhere on it's page, and the Nook lets you download a free sample of between 5-200 pages depending on the book. I'm assuming the Kindle does too, but I've never deal with one so I don't know for sure.

Amazon doesn't populate the "look inside" until a few weeks after release (I haven't tried with every title, but that's my admittedly-limited experience), and I'm lucky if it lets me read all of the prologue before it locks me out. B&N's samples are about the same size - mostly front matter, very little in terms of actual content.

Question to the topicstarter (and people who agree with him): Does this mean you are actually looking less forward to the new DRGIII duology, David Mack's trilogy, Una McCormack's new novel, all just because they happen to have the Typhon Pact branding?

Yes, actually. I'd been hoping that the DRGIII duology might fill in some of the gaps in the DS9 narrative, but that looks rather unlikely now.

 

[F. King Daniel]

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Because the Typhon Pact novels, so far, have been much of a mishmash featuring characters from multiple series', or (in the case of DS9) characters that have moved on. A "Deep Space Nine" branding for a book about Sisko on the USS Robinson and Spock's Unification movement would be a misnomer.

Again, that's making the mistake of taking a property of a single book in the series and generalizing it to the whole thing. That applies to Rough Beasts of Empire, sure -- it was part Sisko/DS9, part Spock, part Romulans. But the other four installments of the five to date were all single-series -- one built around characters and species from DS9, one pure Titan, two pure TNG. RBoE is the only one that it would be difficult to assign a single-series label to.

Although from the sound of it, the upcoming Typhon Pact duology is more of a multiseries crossover, involving at least TNG and DS9.

Although I'll admit "Zero Sum Game" was all DS9 and the "Seize the Fire" Titan, "Paths of Disharmony" featured Shar and continued a previously DS9-exclusive plot thread about Andorian reproductive issues. Hence my considering it a mishmash.

 

[Christopher]

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^"Birthright, Part One" features Bashir from DS9, but it's still a TNG episode. "False Profits" features Arridor, Kol, and the Barzan wormhole from TNG: "The Price," but it's still a VGR episode. The Red King is a sequel to a novel about Sulu and the Excelsior, but it's still a Titan novel.

So if Pocket had decided to use individual series labels for the various installments, I doubt anyone would've been surprised to see PoD labeled as a TNG novel.

 

[Mage]

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I agree with Mage, DRGIII has done some decent Trek stories. I for one thought Serpents Among the Ruins was awesome. Although Rough Beasts of Empire is not my favorite TP book, I did enjoy it. Sisko is a complicated character and the book continues this theme.

That's it exactly. Just because you don't enjoy one book by an author, doesn't mean you should childishly diminish all his work before or after. That's a strange attitude.

I love David Mack's work, but I was less then thrilled with Zero Sum Game. Should I, according to the weird logic of some, consider him an awfull writer who's entire works are plain horrible? No, ofcourse not.
Christopher L. Bennett is one of the best Trek authors out there, but I wasn't that amazed by Over A Torrent Sea. Should I now throw out all his excellent works, like The Buried Age, Orion's Hounds, Watching The Clock?? No ofcourse not.

I'm so sick and tired of people bashing DRGIII's skull in because of RBoE and call him a horrible writer, while the same people would still advice newcomers to Trek to read novels like Serpent Amongst The Ruins. It's that childish attitude that made sure DRGIII didn't want to post here anymore. Even when he was trying to explain his motivations, people were covering their ears and humming, just so they couldn't be pursuaded to change their mind and cling to their opinions because it suited them better. As Trek fans we should be above childish bickering and comments, since we love a tv show who tries to teach us that humanity can be better then that.

Instead, people throw mud at each other and drag others through the dirt, in a nausiating attempt to get their point across. Instead of coming with reasonable arguments, we get pointless bickering, with the only statements made to justify ones opinion being 'because I said so'.

 

[Ian Keldon]

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I think that some people are getting mixed up in that there are two different types of "interconnectivity".

"Hard" IC, where each part leads directly into the next part and each individual part is a "chapter" in the larger whole.

"Soft" IC, where each part stands alone, but involves continuing characters and themes such that the body of parts forms a sort of "metanarrative".

Worf's character arc, beginning in TNG and continuing through DS9 would be an example of "soft" IC at work. The closest I can think of to examples of "hard" would be the Destiny books or Vanguard.

TP is neither fish nor fowl in this case. It has some "hard elements", but is mostly "soft". Those hard elements however, seem to be what everyone fixates on.

 

[zarkon]

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Well, I haven't liked many of the books that have come out under the typhon pact banner. ZSG & RBOE both took characters I liked in a direction I was entirely unhappy with, and POD is the latest in the modern andorian snorefests(seriously, just buck up or go extinct already).

But the whole idea behind TP is pretty cool, so I have no problem with that. And this is coming from someone who stopped buying non-zahn SW books a couple of years after the yuuhzen vong garbage began.

 

[Relayer1]

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Star Trek and Star Wars fans will always find something to complain about, and in TrekLit, the TP branding is it.

The thing is, hardly anything has changed!! It's not as if every book ends on a cliffhanger, and that you MUST read three other novels to understand (for example) Paths Of Disharmony. Is it more enjoyable to read the other novels? Hell yeah!! But necessary?? No.

Like I said, and I'll get flamed for this, but some people just need to complain, so they'll just find something.

Question to the topicstarter (and people who agree with him): Does this mean you are actually looking less forward to the new DRGIII duology, David Mack's trilogy, Una McCormack's new novel, all just because they happen to have the Typhon Pact branding? I mean, the stories are so diverse!! Just look at the three basic plotlines for Mack's new trilogy. If you had made the 'bad guys' (I hate that term) with three random old aliens, or new ones, no one would be complaining.

DRGIIII couldn't write a shop list, I'm avoiding his books for that reason and that reason alone.

Yes, in fact he's so terrible a writer, then when asking TrekLit fans what their favorite novel is, one of his novels is named a lot (Serpent Amongst The Ruins). Although I haven't read it myself, Crucible is named as one of the best trilogy in Trek by a lot of fans, probably because DRGIII is such a bad writer.
You've made it clear that DRGIII is one your hitlist these days because of RBoE, but you don't have to bring it up all the time.
Personally, I think it's unfair that a lot of fans seem to forget the great novels DRGIII has given us, just because they have issues with RBoE. A real shame.....

I REALLY liked Rough Beasts Of Empire (and Paths of Disharmony). Didn't like Zero Sum Game and Seize The Fire though...

 

[Christopher]

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By the way, for those of us who aren't Star Wars readers, could someone summarize just what the Yuuhzan Vong (sp?) books are so we'll know what the TP books are actually being compared to?

 

[Skywalker]

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The Yuuzhan Vong were the main villains in a series entitled The New Jedi Order, which spanned nineteen books (plus a few short stories and eBooks) and lasted from 1999 to 2003. It takes place 25 years after A New Hope, after the long war with the Empire has finally ended and Luke has begun training new Jedi (there are around 100 by the beginning of the series).

Anyway, the Yuuzhan Vong were extragalactic invaders who despised machinery (they relied on organic technology instead) and believed pain was the road to enlightenment. They swept through much of the galaxy before the New Republic and its allies were finally able to start countering their attacks. The series was notorious for its dark themes and for killing off multiple well-known and popular characters.

The comparison really doesn't make sense to me, since the Typhon Pact isn't an evil invading alien force that's decimating the entire galaxy and causing the deaths of numerous popular characters. And because NJO was an actual ongoing series with each book advancing the overall storyline (the war with the Yuuzhan Vong), whereas the Typhon Pact books aren't telling a unified storyline, simply separate stories that each happen to involve at least one of the Typhon Pact races in some manner.

 

[JD]

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The New Jedi Order series.