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Has Science Fiction become a Taboo subject in Hollywood?

Rumor has it people write sci-fi books and comics? Uhm... where has this bozo been for the past oh I dunno 60s years?!

Oh, come on, can't you recognize a humorous choice of words? John Scalzi is a science fiction novelist. He is one of the people who write SF books, over a half-dozen novels and plenty of short stories over the past half-decade or so. So he's obviously using "rumor has it" sardonically -- perhaps as self-deprecation, perhaps as a wistful comment on how overlooked his professional field is in this mass-media-obsessed age.

Before you go around dismissing other people as ignorant, make sure you aren't overlooking some basic information yourself.
 
For a taboo subject, Hollywood sure makes a lot of it.

Frankly if they keep on cranking out Avatars and Inceptions and District 9s every so often I don't care how much they downpedal the sci-fi angle in promotional material or discussions thereto.
 
Whatever they call "it", there sure is a lot of "it" around...from Moon, District 9, Avatar, Skyline, Tron, Inception, to V, Dr Who, Stargate Universe, Fringe, etc on tv. Its more successful than ever.

Successful, yes, but still categorized as a guilty pleasure. And the older the particular SF production, the worse the response. I've encountered a few rolled eyes of late when I've discussed the recent DVD release of The Six Million Dollar Man. "It's campy, for kids, and stupid" is the type of attitude I encounter. Yet in the 20 or so episodes I've watched so far, I've yet to see one moment of camp (I'm ignoring stuff like fashions and hairdos because the times were the times; people from 2010 will look stupid in 2030, too), and several episodes stand up well with some of the best SF and action drama episodes of today - episodes such as The Coward, the Seven Million Dollar Man, definitely the emotionally powerful original Bionic Woman two-parter. Yes, the show had Bigfoot. And Star Trek had the tribbles. So?

And speaking of Bionic Woman, one thing time and changing attitudes can't change is the fact Lindsay Wagner became the first (and, except for Gillian Anderson, I believe only) science fiction series actress to win Best Actress at the Emmys. Her name is listed there right beside Glenn Close from Damages and Edie Falco from The Sopranos. (Patricia Arquette won for Medium, but it falls into that grey area - of whether it should be considered SFF).

The OP mentioned how shows like BSG and Caprica go out of their way not to be identified as SF, and I have to agree. That is an issue. Edward James Olmos was very much against appearing in a sci-fi show (ironic considering he was in Blade Runner) of the standard type.

I don't think the attitude toward SF by Hollywood and the mainstream will change until, among other things, this nonsense that SF is for geeks goes away. If you really want to call Olivia Munn a geek, be my guest. ;) But the fact is who's geekier - someone who happens to know who The Doctor is, or someone who can recite the half-time scores of the last 30 Superbowls? But you ain't gonna see someone going up to Bubba in the sports bar and call him a geek!

Alex
 
I don't think AVATAR, DISTRICT 9, or INCEPTION were classified as guilty pleasure movies. They were generally well-reviewed, and made quite a bit of money at the box office.

Of course, television is a completely different matter. RAMA lists three series (STARGATE UNIVERSE, FRINGE, and V) that struggled out of the gate and could all be facing cancellation at the end of their current seasons. DOCTOR WHO is a British production, which is only cursorily related to Hollywood. Science fiction was much more popular on television in the 1990s.
 
Isn't Avatar the Most Successful Movie Ever?

The key to SF movies (& TV to a certain extent) is the spectacle value, which we deride as "'splosions an' stuff". Very popular with a mainstream audience though, who don't experience what we (as SF fans) experience on a regular basis, through whatever medium, with a greater depth. Or something.
 
I don't think AVATAR, DISTRICT 9, or INCEPTION were classified as guilty pleasure movies. They were generally well-reviewed, and made quite a bit of money at the box office.

Indeed. I was referring to the idea that science fiction in the films may have been downplayed. I could certainly see people discussing Inception particularly without using the phrase once.

Doesn't matter to me. 'Twas a fun sci-fi yarn, more please.

Science fiction was much more popular on television in the 1990s.
I think it would be fair to attribute this to two programs:

Star Trek: The Next Generation and The X Files. The former product clearly spawned a lot of imitator space operas, and the latter was one of the more critical and ratings-wise hits of sci-fi programming of the 1990s.

But yeah. Sci-fi movies can be as taboo as people like so long as they keep getting made, the dearth of sci-fi television has put me into a bit of a funk. It'll probably only be remedied by trying to watch space opera elsewhere (I dunno, maybe there's an English subtitled version of Raumpatrouille Orion out there also I have no idea if that is good).
 
Certainly STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION and THE X-FILES jump started SF on television in the 1990s, but it's not as if all the shows that it inspired were one-season wonders, either. Even a show like SLIDERS managed to limp along for five seasons. I'm not seeing that as much in the past ten years.
 
I don't think AVATAR, DISTRICT 9, or INCEPTION were classified as guilty pleasure movies. They were generally well-reviewed, and made quite a bit of money at the box office.

Of course, television is a completely different matter. RAMA lists three series (STARGATE UNIVERSE, FRINGE, and V) that struggled out of the gate and could all be facing cancellation at the end of their current seasons. DOCTOR WHO is a British production, which is only cursorily related to Hollywood. Science fiction was much more popular on television in the 1990s.


Yeah but there's no shortage of it, that's the point. We've had Heroes, Lost (both 4 plus seasons), 2 OTHER Stargate series, Eureka, Warehouse 13, Event, Torchwood, ..that's what we didn't have in the 70s and 80s..there was no consistency, and nothing to replace 1 or two season wonders (if they even got that far).

RAMA
 
Certainly STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION and THE X-FILES jump started SF on television in the 1990s, but it's not as if all the shows that it inspired were one-season wonders, either.

True. My point here is that these shows led a wave that was imitated (and to a lesser extent, still is with X-Files, cf: Fringe).

Just looking at Star Trek: The Next Generation, it can be directly credited to seven seasons of DS9, seven seasons of VOY, seven seasons of ENT, five seasons of Earth: Final Conflict and five seasons of Andromeda. One can also make a case for the ten seasons of Stargate: SG-1 too, I'm sure.

You have a hit show that's sci-fi, people might follow you or you may get spun off, is my point I guess.
 
Despite all the nonsense about Hollywood liberals, or insane rants about Hollyweird, Hollywood is rather conservative. They feel, deep in their bones, that the future will be like the past because human nature doesn't change. Therefore, science fiction can't be serious. As a result, it only does scifi action movies or thrillers, where the scifi just provides spaceships instead of car chases, light shows instead of shootouts and a marvelous new level of explosions.

There's no taboo, it's just dismissal of any interest in dramatic quality because it's all just fantasy.
 
There are still several scifi, or scifi inspired movies and shows. What is lacking now is something like The Next Generation. Space scifi is almost totally absent from tv, and what's on isn't particularly popular or successful.
 
Imagine, for a moment, trying to put this on film. An excerpt from the Iain M Banks Culture novel, Consider Phlebas:

The underside greeted them with an expanse of what looked like stars. Gradually, Horza realised it was the light-speckled top of a spacecraft larger than anything he'd ever seen or even heard about before; it had to be the demilitarised Culture ship, The Ends of Invention. He didn't care what it was called, as long as he could get aboard and find the Clear Air Turbulence.

The elevator had come to a halt in a transparent tube above a spherical reception area hanging in hard vacuum a hundred metres under the base of the Orbital. From the sphere, walkways and tube tunnels spread out in all directions, heading for the access gantries and open and closed docks of the port area itself. The doors to the closed docks, where ships could be worked on in pressurised conditions, were all open. The open docks themselves, where ships simply moored and airlocks were required, were empty. Replacing them all, directly underneath the spherical reception area, just as it was directly underneath almost the entire port area, was the ex-Culture General Systems Vehicle The Ends of Invention. Its broad, flat top stretched for kilometre after kilometre in all directions, almost totally blocking out the view of space and stars beyond. Instead its top surface glittered with its own lights where various connections had been made with the access tubes and tunnels of the port.

He felt dizzy again, registering the sheer scale of the vast craft. He hadn't seen a GSV before, far less been inside one. He knew of them and what they were for, but only now did he appreciate what an achievement they represented. This one was theoretically no longer part of the Culture; he knew it was demilitarised, stripped bare of most equipment, and without the Mind or Minds which would normally run it; but just the structure alone was enough to impress.

General Systems Vehicles were like encapsulated worlds. They were more than just very big spaceships; they were habitats, universities, factories, museums, dockyards, libraries, even mobile exhibition centres. They represented the Culture - they were the Culture. Almost anything that could be done anywhere in the Culture could be done on a GSV. They could make anything the Culture was capable of making, contained all the knowledge the Culture had ever accumulated, carried or could construct specialised equipment of every imaginable type for every conceivable eventuality, and continually manufactured smaller ships: General Contact Units usually, warcraft now. Their complements were measured in millions at least. They crewed their offspring ships out of the gradual increase in their own population. Self-contained, self-sufficient, productive and, in peacetime at least, continually exchanging information, they were the Culture's ambassadors, its most visible citizens and its technological and intellectual big guns. There was no need to travel from the galactic backwoods to some distant Culture home-planet to be amazed and impressed by the stunning scale and awesome power of the Culture; a GSV could bring the whole lot right up to your front door...
We have the ability to see that in our heads and get it. A lot of people don't. We should make more use of it.
 
Certainly STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION and THE X-FILES jump started SF on television in the 1990s, but it's not as if all the shows that it inspired were one-season wonders, either.

True. My point here is that these shows led a wave that was imitated (and to a lesser extent, still is with X-Files, cf: Fringe).

Just looking at Star Trek: The Next Generation, it can be directly credited to seven seasons of DS9, seven seasons of VOY, seven seasons of ENT, five seasons of Earth: Final Conflict and five seasons of Andromeda. One can also make a case for the ten seasons of Stargate: SG-1 too, I'm sure.

You have a hit show that's sci-fi, people might follow you or you may get spun off, is my point I guess.

There were seven seasons of ENTERPRISE? I only remember four.
 
I'm pretty sure season two counts as four seasons.

It felt like four seasons.

But point taken.

Also I liked that article. I think the view that sci-f's problem is fantasy/vampires becoming a more popular mode of entertainment has a ring of truth to it. One may decry the demise of sci-fi TV, but that new HBO series A Game of Thrones looks like it'll take the fantasy genre to interesting places.
 
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