Anything the Borg reject can't be that great.
Harsh realities of rewatching Star Trek Voyager
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Maybe she used some Cardassian method.
As for the Kazon, I think that they were good and interesting villains.
Not to mention that Seska and Culluh are two of my favorite villains.
^^this
More on TOS: Grace Lee Whitney wanted them brought in, rather than everyone wearing pants, to show the idea of empowerment that was vogue at the time.
Nichelle Nichols also chimed in:
"In later years, especially as the women’s movement took hold in the seventies, people began to ask me about my costume. Some thought it 'demeaning' for a woman in the command crew to be dressed so sexily. It always surprised me because I never saw it that way. After all, the show was created in the age of the miniskirt, and the crew women’s uniforms were very comfortable. Contrary to what many may think today, no one really saw it as demeaning back then. In fact, the miniskirt was a symbol of sexual liberation. More to the point, though, in the 23rd century, you are respected for your abilities regardless of what you do or do not wear."
Sources:
Grace Lee Whitney wanted to wear a short skirt on TOS (redshirtsalwaysdie.com)
H&I | Star Trek, miniskirts and the 1960s: What was so groundbreaking about them (handitv.com)
Their faces and figures is their fortune, even if they wisely toned it down and their sexiness feels more on the terms of characters with NuTrek.
I guess I'm a writer for Screenrant 'cause I agree with all those points! 
I'll mention some things from the list and others not from the list:
From the list:
1. Tom Paris. Never liked the portrayal of the character. It felt like RDM's acting felt like he was phoning it in most of the time. Maybe a different actor would have been better. Problematic from the start was that it was supposed to be Lucardo from the TNG ep and then they still use the same actor giving him a similar background to Lucardo. That sucked. I guess RDM was getting a job no matter what.
2. Chakotay: as others said it's the tropes about the wise Native American. Personally I couldn't stand the keyboard flute sound anytime anything 'Native Americanny' happened. Cringe. Beltran did a fine job with what he was given.
Not from the list:
1. Seven and Chakotay's relationship may not have worked but neither did Paris/Torres for me. Star Trek just doesn't know how to do relationships well. The one with Paris and Torres stuck in a shuttle. An easy skip. Even back then.
2. Most importantly, the title says 'Rewatching'. I suppose I understand that if the viewer was young at the time but as an adult watching it when it aired all these issues, and so so so much more, were visible.
3. The overuse of timeline/time travel reset button. "Year Of Hell" was a perfect example of this. Hardly anything of consequence ever happened in VOY. Here is an ep in which finally something happened of consequence....and it all gets reset.
I'll mention some things from the list and others not from the list:
From the list:
1. Tom Paris. Never liked the portrayal of the character. It felt like RDM's acting felt like he was phoning it in most of the time. Maybe a different actor would have been better. Problematic from the start was that it was supposed to be Lucardo from the TNG ep and then they still use the same actor giving him a similar background to Lucardo. That sucked. I guess RDM was getting a job no matter what.
2. Chakotay: as others said it's the tropes about the wise Native American. Personally I couldn't stand the keyboard flute sound anytime anything 'Native Americanny' happened. Cringe. Beltran did a fine job with what he was given.
Not from the list:
1. Seven and Chakotay's relationship may not have worked but neither did Paris/Torres for me. Star Trek just doesn't know how to do relationships well. The one with Paris and Torres stuck in a shuttle. An easy skip. Even back then.
2. Most importantly, the title says 'Rewatching'. I suppose I understand that if the viewer was young at the time but as an adult watching it when it aired all these issues, and so so so much more, were visible.
3. The overuse of timeline/time travel reset button. "Year Of Hell" was a perfect example of this. Hardly anything of consequence ever happened in VOY. Here is an ep in which finally something happened of consequence....and it all gets reset.
I really wanted 2 or 3 episodes after Endgame showing the crew get re-acclaimated back home. What happened to the remaining Maquis? What happened to Seven (We are starting to get hints about Seven post return home from the Delta Quadrant, but I don't believe the Federation under the Berman Era would do the things that the Federation is portrayed as under the Kurtzman era, if that makes sense.
The only thing I wanted was Harry Kim getting a promotion after Timeless. Yeah, it was future Harry Kim, but being the 100th episode and a Harry heavy episode, Janeway should have promoted him right at the end. It was a big missed opportunity.
The only thing I wanted was Harry Kim getting a promotion after Timeless. Yeah, it was future Harry Kim, but being the 100th episode and a Harry heavy episode, Janeway should have promoted him right at the end. It was a big missed opportunity.
At one point they considered getting Voyager home in Season 5 or so and spending the last couple of seasons showing the crew readjusting to life in the Alpha Quadrant. I think that would have been interesting. As it is, until PIC S1, the only thing we knew about the characters post-VOY is that Janeway was promoted to vice admiral.
Don't forget Prodigy. Up to a certain point if felt like Voyager 2.0. I hope the second season, if we ever get to see that, covers more about the Voyager crew.
And not the only one.
Even when viewers started complaining, the showrunners refused to budge on the subject.
The GOAT, Kathryn Janeway, would've looked great in a miniskirt, with briefs and black stockings to compliment the look.
They took a mishmash of Native American cultures - and threw them into a blender. What came out was ludicrous.
She went from gardener to nurse to psychic and there were so very few episodes where I actually cared what happened to her.
My favorite Trek characters are never the Captain. They tend to be the lower-ranked crew. I liked Tom Paris and his character arc, from his defensive self in the pilot to his new-dad self in the finale. Of all the characters, he actually grew and changed. His friendship with Harry was fun for both of them.
I wonder what some people think the indigenous people of MesoAmerica were, if not native North Americans? (defining North America as everything north of the Panama Canal)
What hints and suggestions? There weren't any.
Exactly. He was defensive at first, and took awhile to deal with the animosity between himself and Chakotay. They weren't instant buddies. His arc is gradual, which makes him an interesting character.
I don't often agree with the idea of "it was just a dream", but in this case it would have been the only sane way to resolve it. After all, if Pam Ewing can dream up an entire season of Dallas, Tom Paris could manage just one episode.
I guess I'm a writer for Screenrant 'cause I agree with all those points!
I'll mention some things from the list and others not from the list:
From the list:
1. Tom Paris. Never liked the portrayal of the character. It felt like RDM's acting felt like he was phoning it in most of the time. Maybe a different actor would have been better. Problematic from the start was that it was supposed to be Lucardo from the TNG ep and then they still use the same actor giving him a similar background to Lucardo. That sucked. I guess RDM was getting a job no matter what.
I like Paris! My third favorite after Kes and Chakotay.
I agree, they should have given Chakotay a proper tribe with all its culture instead of the stupid stuff they came up with.
Star Trek has never been good with relationships. Paris-Torres was so-so, Chakotay-Seven was just insulting.
kes and neelix OK in the beginning but was doomed when the characters developed in different directions. However, those in charge couldn't even ending it in a proper way. They just let it hang along.
They should have ended it some episodes after Parturition and during two-three episodes, not the way they did in Warlord.
And that episode with Paris and Torres stuck in a shuttle in season 4 was just boring.
The "reset button" was used too often and mostly very bad.
Take Deadlock for example. The ship is almost destroyed during the episode and in next episode it looks like new again. My suggestion is: If the premise is that the ship is all alone in a part of the Universe where there are no Starfleet bases to fix the damage, then write the stories so there is no real damage to the ship.
One of the few reset button episodes I like is Time And Again where it actually have some purpose for the story.
That would have been a great idea.
I've always thought that at least one season should have been spent in the Gamma Quadrant with Voyager traveling through Dominion space.
I would also have liked to see an end episode in two or three parts where we would have seen a final showdown with the famale Caretaker, a decent return for Kes and a real homecoming for the crew instead of the crap we got.
Not to mention harry Kim finally coming home to his parents, running into their house singing the ancient Runaways/Joan Jett song "Cherry Bomb" with the altered lyrics:
"Hello Mum, Hello Dad, I'm your d-d-d-d-d-duplicate son!"
So stupid of them! And so childish!And not the only one.
Hmmm.......yes!
Why not!
I agree. They should have given Chakotay a proper tribe with all its culture instead of the stupid stuff they came up with.
But that shows what a talented character Kes is! She was good at a lot of things.
She should have become the ship's counselor and her abilities to solve problems should have been better used. Not to mention her personality, which was great.
She should also have been given a human lifespan instead of that nine-year crap.
i like Kirk, Picard, Sisko and Janeway but none of them are my absolute favorites.
In TOS, it is Scotty and Spock.
IN TNG, it is Data and Riker.
In DS9, it is Garak, Quark and Kira
In Voyager, it is Kes, Chakotay and Paris.
And in Enterprise, it is Trip Tucker and Porthos! Only them!
I can agree on that. However, I must state that I like Paris best in the three first seasons.
He became a bit boring later on, not so funny as he used to be
But that may have been the result of him being shoved into a corner with Chakotay, Tuvok, Torres, Neelix and Kim when the show became the Janeway-Seven-Doctor show.
Wasn't it three seasons of Dallas which were shoved off as a dream Pam had whebn they decided to bring back Bobby Ewing to life?
Anyway, it's a classic! The greatest reset ever in the whole history of TV-seires and movies.
It also proves that I'm right when it comes to my suggestion of avoiding killing off characters because the actor wants to quit the show because it might be necessary to bring back the character in the future.
I can agree that such "dream solutions" might make a bad impression but when it comes to Threshold, it is the only way to save the episode.
Nope. Just the one season. That's the one where the Ewing cousins, Jack and Jamie, played a huge part. Jack basically filled Bobby's role as J.R.'s Ewing Oil sidekick as they pursued their deals and schemes with the foreign cartel. As I recall, Jamie is killed in the season finale (collateral damage in a bomb meant for someone else, probably J.R.; she's married to Cliff Barnes at this point).Wasn't it three seasons of Dallas which were shoved off as a dream Pam had whebn they decided to bring back Bobby Ewing to life?
In the meantime, Pam and a new guy (don't recall his name) go hunting for emeralds in South America, and back home on the ranch Jenna goes stark-raving nuts in her grief for Bobby. Ray and Donna find out that their coming baby will be Down's Syndrome, so they throw themselves into learning about that and meeting and interacting with Down's Syndrome kids.
It was quite an exciting season overall, until Pam woke up one morning and went to take a shower. Instead of the guy she'd gone to South America with, it was Bobby in the shower, smiling at her, and saying, "Good morning."
End of season. We're left to wonder for months wtf happened, and how Bobby got in that shower when he's supposed to be dead. And at this point Dallas and Knots Landing ceased to be part of the same continuity, as Bobby stayed dead in the Knots Landing continuity (Gary and Val Ewing named one of their children after Bobby).
Thankfully Voyager only had 2 characters from another continuity and the situation wasn't so convoluted that it made it impossible to reconcile. I find the forgotten Borg baby more annoying than Harry and Naomi being from an alternate universe.
Considering that T&A is arguably the ULTIMATE Reset Button episode, it's strangely appropriate that it was one of VOY's first.
And still going on. Every present-day effort to bring justice to the character has been stymied.
Very true. But what do you expect when you take advice from a humbug?
Lol. One character and the dog. That's pretty sad.
I thought Phlox was pretty cool, too.
And Miles and Keiko.
With the exception of Worf and Jadzia in DS9
But that one didn't end well
Neither of Worf's romances did.
Arguably Trek's best, most realistic romance.
It's not regulation.Why not!
Paris/Torres is one of the view I do like. The O'Briens were okay but the torture with their children I can't abide.
How were Molly and Kirayoshi tortured? (Other than the events of "TIME'S ORPHAN", which was not a fun time for Molly.)
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