They all did. At least I thought so. Including Janeway. One of the reasons I had enjoyed Voyager so much were the characters.
Harsh realities of rewatching Star Trek Voyager
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They all did. At least I thought so. Including Janeway. One of the reasons I had enjoyed Voyager so much were the characters.
Now now, that's doing her character journey injustice. After all, she grew from a novice captain, uncertain if she could get the crew home again, trying to mask her doubts by adopting a strictly militaristic stance, to the GOAT that chased death away, mocked the Borg Queen herself, gave parenting advice to omnipotent beings without even being a parent herself, and more in general, being nearly always right and proud of it, too. :P
(Seriously though, I think she grew significantly in her role, from that uncertain captain to someone who was at ease with her different roles, both as captain, as a leader of the Voyager community, and as a member of it, and as a mentor to Seven and possibly other crew members (b'Elanna to some extent, for example). Perhaps not as much of a character journey as Sisko, but then again, not every captain gets to be a religious icon and grow into a demi-god).
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Screen Rant sometimes is no better than Doomcock or other less reputable sites, sometimes just puting out articles just to get an article out, not really telling anything new, now not making up crap like Doomcock, but just about equally as worthless articles.
As for the thread,
I don't mind voyager, its a great premise that wasn't at all realized as it should. but thats another story.
as for the author's opinion, its just that there own opinion put on a news site other than on here. I put them at the same level as anybody elses opinion on this site.
I liked Tom, not my most favorite character, but he had a good arc.
Kes? Not much of a problem with me since she was an adult due to there genetics. Now, Harry marrying her daughter in that episode was really creepy..
Chachotay? Under used, and the native backstory was a bad story.
Rest have been debated ad nauseum here...
As for the thread,
I don't mind voyager, its a great premise that wasn't at all realized as it should. but thats another story.
as for the author's opinion, its just that there own opinion put on a news site other than on here. I put them at the same level as anybody elses opinion on this site.
I liked Tom, not my most favorite character, but he had a good arc.
Kes? Not much of a problem with me since she was an adult due to there genetics. Now, Harry marrying her daughter in that episode was really creepy..
Chachotay? Under used, and the native backstory was a bad story.
Rest have been debated ad nauseum here...
Voyager doubled down on the notion that Ocampa were responsible adults much earlier than humans. Neelix, Tom, and Harry all accepted this. However, I think it was a miscalculation by the writers... the viewers by and large couldn't get past the matter of Kes's (and Linnis's) chronological age.
Kes I could get by since she was an "Adult" already by the time we meet her, so could accept that. But Tom and Harry seeing the kids born to adult age, and then marrying them, is a bit on the creepy side...
I remember bouncing you on my knee.. now we do other things.. Eww..
It wouldn't have worked at normal speed, because we'd have actually seen him bouncing her on his knee.
Honestly, it didn't bother me that much. I knew that Tom, Neelix, and Harry were all honorable men, and would not have exploited anyone innocent. It might have made for an interesting episode, though, watching Harry wrestle with his changed feelings for Linnis.
They should have made him a member of a real tribe instead of that actually insulting "rubber tree people" crap.
It worked fine to start with.
But it was obvous that they were drifting apart so the relationship should have ended in season 2, shortly after Parturition and should have taken place during two-three episodes instead of that ridiculous "break-up in Warlord when Kes's body was taken over by Tieran.
Downright crap and lies from the producers to hide the fact that Jennifer Lien was fired for no reason at all.
Tom Paris was a great character, one of the best in the series. What that Dana personally think is irrelevant.
Threshold was bad.
But there were a couple of episodes which were far worse, especially one episode in season 6 which should be erased from all future DVD.s and airings.
Not to mention that Threshold was actually funny if you imagine it as a nightmare Tom Paris had after eating too much of Neelix's food. An end scene with Tom waking up in his bed after the nightmare would have saved the whole episode.
Janeway did the right thing. She saved the lives of Tuvok and Neelix when she restored them back which was the ultimate goal ever since the accident.
Yes, it dumbed down the series which became only about "the sexy Borg".
Yes, it was a bad idea.
They actually insulted a large group of fans who wanted a "happy ending" between Chakotay and Janeway.
They had two options:
1. To go ahead with a "happy ending" between Chakotay and Janeway.
2. To simply let it hang in the air after the series ended, leave it open for future movies, books or fan fiction.
They did chose option 3 which was to insult a large group of fans with that Chakotay-Seven relationship which came out of nothing and with no chemistry at all between the characters.
Yes! They could have promoted him to Lieutenant in one of the later seasons.
Instead of saving a rather weak character with potential, they actually ruined the character by simply having him remain "young, unexperienced Ensign Kim" for seven seasons.
Yes! Instead of an interesting final in two parts with a final showdown with the Female Caretaker, a possible return of a restored Kes and a real homecoming for our favorites, they came up with that total mess of a story. Another final insult to the fans of the series.[/QUOTE]
I think Janeway/Chakotay suddenly happening or even being heavily hinted at that now it can happen would have felt like very forced pandering. It would have felt too inconsistent with the characters, if Janeway had really wanted or even been really open to a relationship with him she would have been willing to have it on the despite command structure regulations/protocols/suggestions and OTOH she isn't so completely tied to regulations that after 4-7 years as just friends and colleagues there now can be more because the structure regulations aren't in force any more. And I definitely buy that Chakotay would have given up, even lost interest during the last 4 years, also not see, expect, hope the relationship can now suddenly change.
I also don't think Seven increasing sex appeal is a bad thing especially when from the start it was part of but far from the main focus of the character, let alone series.
I also don't think Seven increasing sex appeal is a bad thing especially when from the start it was part of but far from the main focus of the character, let alone series.
While I am 100% a Janeway/Chakotay shipper, I agree that the structure of Endgame would need to be massively different to include anything more than a mere whisper of that possibility. Ending the finale with the arrival home doesn’t give a relationship that would need a lot of taking stock, establishing new parameters and dealing with a number of past interactions any chance to breathe.
While, obviously, I can believe for seven years Janeway refused to center her private life and continued to doggedly believe that, if she gave it her everything, she could manufacture a miracle by sheer force of will. I also admit that’s a long time to keep a mere possibility of a relationship on pause. As I believed Chakotay loved Janeway in no small part because of her fierce determination to make things right and her all encompassing devotion to her ship and crew, I could obviously entertain the possibility of a relationship working out in the end but the delicate negotiations needed for such a thing to happen are probably best left to the many talented authors who have lovingly detailed that new journey.
While, obviously, I can believe for seven years Janeway refused to center her private life and continued to doggedly believe that, if she gave it her everything, she could manufacture a miracle by sheer force of will. I also admit that’s a long time to keep a mere possibility of a relationship on pause. As I believed Chakotay loved Janeway in no small part because of her fierce determination to make things right and her all encompassing devotion to her ship and crew, I could obviously entertain the possibility of a relationship working out in the end but the delicate negotiations needed for such a thing to happen are probably best left to the many talented authors who have lovingly detailed that new journey.
Una McCormack's "The Autobiography of Kathryn Janeway" handles a potential future Janeway/Chakotay romance quite nicely, in that it has the two remain close and spend time together, and it lets the reader decide for themselves what happens next. The downside is that canon events have overwritten it.
Is that the recent biography about Janeway? is it good?
Does the events in it fit together with the book Mosaic by Jeri Taylor or are there many contradictions?
What "canon events" has over written it?
Una McCormack has written some very good books about Cardassia. A lot of Garak in them!
As for "canon" contradicting the books, I have my own methods to deal with it:
1. If "canon events" are better and more acceptable than what is in the books, I mentally just skip the book events.
2. If the book events are better and more acceptable, I skip "canon" and go for the book events. In that case they ends up in the "Lynxverse".
I think so. It kind of expects you to know the series well before you read it, a person who didn't watch VOY won't get much from it. In any case, it gets some things very right. I won't go into spoilers, but among the things it does is...
* Pay a bit of homage to a plot development Kate Mulgrew repeatedly requested (and didn't get).
* Give a bit of expansion on Janeway's feelings about Tuvix, and Tuvok's as well.
* Reveals that Harry has his lieutenant's pip almost immediately after the series ends.
* Introduces a new character at the end who allows Janeway a really nice closure of sorts.
* Downside is YES, it mentions THAT episode. Sorry.
She was really a Cardassian. It's a little confusing visually because when her appearance was "restored," she didn't quite look 100% Cardassian - and maybe she wasn't, but this was unaddressed. It was good to have a member of one of Trek's very few pretty much unredeemed villain races on the show.
In "MANEUVERS", Seska mentioned she was in 'the process of restoring' her real appearance. Considering Kazon medical technology is likely inferior, it stands to reason her restoration would be somewhat off.
That's my head canon for why she looked less Cardassian than most of her species.
No problems, I might buy it anyway.
As it's said in the Rolling Stones song:
"You can't always get what you want,
but you might sometimes get what you need."
And there is always Tipp-ex, I think that I still have some of it left somewhere.
I always wondered if there was a real Seska and what happened to her.
Remember how the Cardassians made one of their own look like O'Brien's old friend Boone in the DS9 episode Tribunal.
What if there was a real Seska. I wonder what happened to her?
Maybe something for a book or fan fiction author to figure out.
Right on - that's a good explanation. Fits with the competence level of those bozos.
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