If you look, there are broken columns and a similar landscape, and a "portal" looking device over her shoulder. Is this the Guardian?
Hang on! Is this the Guardian of Forever?!?
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I give up...is it?
I figure it probably is, and I wouldn't be surprised if this factors into the show's mythos. That episode is, uh, damned well-received.
It's probably the uh...Watcher of Eternity. Shhh Harlan Ellison might be watching. 
I didn't spot the Guardian itself when i watched, but I was sure it was the Guardian planet she was seeing.If you look, there are broken columns and a similar landscape, and a "portal" looking device over her shoulder. Is this the Guardian?
No.
The planet is surrounded by time-storms.
There is less devastation, you know, there are more ruins.
How about they go back in time in a different way, by accident, and then they use the Guardian to get back where they belong?
There is less devastation, you know, there are more ruins.
How about they go back in time in a different way, by accident, and then they use the Guardian to get back where they belong?
According to the subtitles it's the planet Ilari. Memory Alpha has it as being the same planet Voyager visited in warlord. I'm guessing that is not meant to actually be the case and the word may have been created randomly.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ilari_(planet)
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ilari_(planet)
fangasim is already a word.
I'm not sure what actually happened.
Was Burnham going to (entangling with) those places, or where those spore memories of where the spores had been, and if the latter, were they psychically tuning into the spores, or were those holographic snapshots rendered from digitizing the spores memories?
I'm not sure what actually happened.
Was Burnham going to (entangling with) those places, or where those spore memories of where the spores had been, and if the latter, were they psychically tuning into the spores, or were those holographic snapshots rendered from digitizing the spores memories?
Could be Greece.
Or, say, China. Having columns like that, preferably in ruins, is a popular way to spend lots of money.
I'm sure every image was intended to be a TOS reference the audience would recognize, while in-universe none would be recognized by Burnham (except perhaps that arena thing, because it's likely to be an "Amok Time" reference and while approx. 100% of mankind knows zip about Vulcan, Burnham is an expert).
The interesting questions:
1) Does the audience see the same stuff Burnham sees, or less (that is, just select bits)? Lorca's voice drones on in the background, perhaps suggesting seamless continuity, perhaps not.
2) Does Lorca see what Burnham sees? That is, can his narration in any way relate to what we see?
3) What does it mean? Is it a catalogue of some sort, or just pretty images? Would it be possible for Burnham to go to those places if she did something else besides stare?
4) Is it for real, or is Lorca just mindfucking the protagonist with perfectly ordinary holograms plus perhaps some mushroom effects on her brain?
Timo Saloniemi
I'm sure every image was intended to be a TOS reference the audience would recognize, while in-universe none would be recognized by Burnham (except perhaps that arena thing, because it's likely to be an "Amok Time" reference and while approx. 100% of mankind knows zip about Vulcan, Burnham is an expert).
The interesting questions:
1) Does the audience see the same stuff Burnham sees, or less (that is, just select bits)? Lorca's voice drones on in the background, perhaps suggesting seamless continuity, perhaps not.
2) Does Lorca see what Burnham sees? That is, can his narration in any way relate to what we see?
3) What does it mean? Is it a catalogue of some sort, or just pretty images? Would it be possible for Burnham to go to those places if she did something else besides stare?
4) Is it for real, or is Lorca just mindfucking the protagonist with perfectly ordinary holograms plus perhaps some mushroom effects on her brain?
Timo Saloniemi
I got the impression that Lorca's narration wasn't supposed to line up with what we saw. Otherwise, there would be a Preserver obelisk on a rather temperate looking Andorian moon.
Lorca slipped.
Ilari is 69 thousand light years away from Federation space, but he acted like any information about that world is common knowledge in the 23rd century, when it is indisputably not.
Ilari is 69 thousand light years away from Federation space, but he acted like any information about that world is common knowledge in the 23rd century, when it is indisputably not.
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Lorca wasn't narrating what she was seeing.
If he was then there is a Preserver Artifact on one of the Andorian Moons.
He was just listing possible places she could go.
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