HAHA! I WAS RIGHT!

[Ovation]

And the jury of your peers has voted against you. So what now?

 

[datagal]

Yeah, the old timers I've talked to love it. I started watching in 1966, myself. I'm totally smitten.

First time in recorded history (which is saying something, given that we have about 16 years between us on this board) that I agree with Jeri.

I'm smitten too.

Started watching Star Trek as a toddler, before I could even walk, back in the 60's.

And I LOVE this movie. Loved every nono-second of it.

Might even go to see it twice in the theater - something I haven't done since Star Wars in 1977.

And will definitely grab the DVD.

Maybe I should defer to someone else on this......

One thing Abrams has never been, though, is a Trekker. Or a Trekkie. Or even a Trekkist. "Star Trek," he says, referring to the original TV series, "always felt like a silly, campy thing. I remember appreciating it, but feeling like I didn't get it. I felt it didn't give me a way in. There was a captain, there was this first officer, they were talking a lot about adventures and not having them as much as I would've liked. Maybe I wasn't smart enough, maybe I wasn't old enough. But The Twilight Zone I was obsessed with. Loved it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/may/07/jj-abrams-interview-star-trek

The defense rests.

And?

 

[Dale]

The defense rests.

Firstly, you haven't been on defense, but offense. You started the thread.

Second, do you really rest? As in you're not going to say more stuff? Cuz that would rule.

 

[pookha]

Yeah, the old timers I've talked to love it. I started watching in 1966, myself. I'm totally smitten.

First time in recorded history (which is saying something, given that we have about 16 years between us on this board) that I agree with Jeri.

I'm smitten too.

Started watching Star Trek as a toddler, before I could even walk, back in the 60's.

And I LOVE this movie. Loved every nono-second of it.

Might even go to see it twice in the theater - something I haven't done since Star Wars in 1977.

And will definitely grab the DVD.

Maybe I should defer to someone else on this......

One thing Abrams has never been, though, is a Trekker. Or a Trekkie. Or even a Trekkist. "Star Trek," he says, referring to the original TV series, "always felt like a silly, campy thing. I remember appreciating it, but feeling like I didn't get it. I felt it didn't give me a way in. There was a captain, there was this first officer, they were talking a lot about adventures and not having them as much as I would've liked. Maybe I wasn't smart enough, maybe I wasn't old enough. But The Twilight Zone I was obsessed with. Loved it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/may/07/jj-abrams-interview-star-trek

The defense rests.

your freaking defense just blew up considering orci is a trekkie for a long way back..


and please yes define the comment old hand.

i grew up watching star trek on nbc.

i think that qualifies as old hand.

i went to see it last night with a group of similar people..
they all loved it.

from what i am seeing around here a lot of the people who grew up watching star trek either first run or one of the early syndications for the most part love it.

so i would seriously watch tossing around that comment .

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

One thing Abrams has never been, though, is a Trekker. Or a Trekkie. Or even a Trekkist. "Star Trek," he says, referring to the original TV series, "always felt like a silly, campy thing. I remember appreciating it, but feeling like I didn't get it. I felt it didn't give me a way in."

While I love all things Star Trek, you've gotta admit: He's got a helluva point there. It was a silly, campy thing, that oldTrek. Always has been.

 

[datagal]

One thing Abrams has never been, though, is a Trekker. Or a Trekkie. Or even a Trekkist. "Star Trek," he says, referring to the original TV series, "always felt like a silly, campy thing. I remember appreciating it, but feeling like I didn't get it. I felt it didn't give me a way in."

While I love all things Star Trek, you've gotta admit: He's got a helluva point there. It was a silly, campy thing, that oldTrek. Always has been.

That's what I truly like about Trek. The campiness of it all. Maybe I'm in the minority of those who love all things that is Trek, but didn't take it too seriously. Just love it for entertainment value only.
I didn't even know what a canon was until I came here.
And I have been a Star Trek fan since I first saw it in syndication when I was ten (since 1977).

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The defense rests.

Firstly, you haven't been on defense, but offense. You started the thread.

I don't actually remember who he is. Do you?

 

[erebus]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/may/07/jj-abrams-interview-star-trek

The defense rests.

yes it was clever of you to find that quote. But in your haste to self-promote yourself, you have misunderstood it.

JJ was talking about being excluded from entering the star trek group because that very group had sheilded outsiders from the humanity of star trek and erected a forbidding wall of elitism (remind you of anybody?)

(see the episode, 'the omega glory' for an example of the same thing).

And the man in that article is modest but he's nevertheless created something that is more star trek to me than your divisive attitude.

Star trek is about inclusivity not division. It seeks to build a beneficial federation of beings who can be individuals and co-exist together in mutual harmony and prosperity.

JJ knows this; You do not.
JJ goes to the heart of star trek; you are content to bandy labels about as the real thing.
People have voted for his vision; you wish to lead by dictatorship.

I would follow his lead; I would not follow yours.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Ow. That's gotta hurt.

 

[erebus]

Ow. That's gotta hurt.

just needed to get it off my chest and be clear about where i was

 

[Lazergazer]

Okay. You were right.

Doesn't matter, because the truly moronic among us are lining up to drink JJ's bathwater again. One review I read gave it five stars. Out of five.

Apparently, people want 90210 In Space.

Then it's not Trek, it's just another action movie.

Really? I thought it had a "TOS Vibe" to it. Perhaps not a TNG vibe, but it definitely had a TOS feel.

Jackson, I've got to tell you, you need to change those uniforms in your avatar to Red Wings sweaters.

I'm sorry I haven't read the whole thread, but I think the ages of the characters are fine. Scotty looks to be about the right age, a young but experienced officer, Uhura's an extremely gifted cadet (but they all were), and where are people getting that Chekov is seventeen? Was it in the movie? I'd agree that's WAY too young to be an officer, but whatever. Spock and McCoy are clearly experienced men (even if Spock's just a wee one in Vulcan years). Sulu's fine. Looks about 22-25 and that would be just about right. And Kirk is what? He's 25? Or is he 25 plus 3 years of Academy time, making him 28? If that's the case he's not too far off from his canon age when he assumed command of Enterprise.

25 is young, yes, especially with no previous experience commanding a ship, but...eh, he did fine. The fact they gave him the flagship right out of the Academy requires stringent suspension of disbelief by anyone who knows anything about how most militaries work today, but....these were extraordinary circumstances and....and, I love the movie anyway.

I didn't find it to be 90210-ish at all. And if the ages of the characters are the only complaint of the OP, well, that's pretty damn picky.

 

[T'Paul]

I'm reminded more of "Young Sherlock Holmes".

I mean really. Having Kirk, Spock, and McCoy all meeting for their first big adventure in the same movie was one thing.

Did they have to have Scotty, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov?

If they had done a true reboot that would have been a non-issue.

 

[Captain_Rogers]

and where are people getting that Chekov is seventeen? Was it in the movie?.

Sure was.

 

[Broccoli]

Oh, FFS. Was the movie perfect? No. Not by a long shot. Was it wildly entertaining? Yes. Does it look like it'll be financially successful? Yes. Is it being embraced by general audiences, critics, and most existing Trek fans? Yes.

This is what the goal was for the movie and it succeeded on that level. It brought Trek back into the mainstream, where it currently needs to be in order for it to thrive.

Look, I liked Nemesis and Enterprise, but even I realize that those productions were not, for whatever reason, extending themselves out to the masses. The franchise needed a shake-up of some kind.

History seems to be repeating itself when Harve Bennett came on board in 1982. He didn't know anything about Star Trek, but he was able to rebound the franchise into a sucessful string of films, which eventually lead into the spin-off shows. Having someone with creative input from "the outside" is very smart idea as they can see something from a different angle that a hard-core fan may be too rigid to see. If we, as Trek fans, want to see more adventures of Star Trek, then JJ is off to a very strong start.

As a fan, I hope his momentium continues into Star Trek XII.

Time travel is amazing as a movie plot. There is a huge time paradox in there for the future, but I can't get into that now. Peace and Long Life! \\//!

No, time travel is an over-used "cheat" to avoid doing any RESEARCH, which JJ begrudgingly admits he has never done.

Link?

 

[roguephoenix]

i'm not sure if you're complaining or something. if you are, then you can just go back to your wolvercrap movie while the rest of the world enjoys this.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

JJ didn't just take "liberties" with ST Cannon, he OBLITERATED the cannon!!

For crying out loud! It's spelled canon, Canon, CANON! For god's sake!

How embarrassing that the German dude's the one who's the better speller than the native English speaker.

 

[pookha]

another reason why the defense arguement has issues..
whatever if abrams was a star wars fan ect in the end he recognized what was the
big important thing about star trek./

"The themes that got me excited honestly had less to do with Star Trek and space and more to do with the optimism and humanity and of finding your purpose through unity," explained Abrams. "It ends up being a guiding principle of the movie. It needed to be faithful to the optimism that Gene Roddenberry wrote with during a time of fear and hate and suspicion. He was writing of our future where we were not just surviving it, but by cooperating and collaborating, we actually thrived. That to me, more than ever, is a relevant idea."

i can not get across just how bad some of the 60's was, to have a tank going down your street because of fear of riots.
and to have star trek there to say things can get better, people can still strive to become better and learn to work together.

 

[LiChiu]

Well, I saw the movie, and I was right!

It really was "Doogie Howser MD in Space" or, as someone else more aply put it, "90210 in Space".



As someone who really served in the Naval Sea Cadet Corps, let me assure you that none of us would've ever been allowed to steer an aircraft carrier, let alone command it!



These people were *WAY* too young. If memory serves me, Kirk didn't get Captain until he was 35. This Kirk got it at 20!

Pavel Checkov was 17!!



Now how many of you are willing to admit I was right when I said they would be straight out of the academy & way too young?

.....I eagery await your replies!

It's almost as absurd as transporters and warp drive. Welcome to science fiction.

 

[Capt. Vulcan]

Well, I saw the movie, and I was right!

It really was "Doogie Howser MD in Space" or, as someone else more aply put it, "90210 in Space".



As someone who really served in the Naval Sea Cadet Corps, let me assure you that none of us would've ever been allowed to steer an aircraft carrier, let alone command it!



These people were *WAY* too young. If memory serves me, Kirk didn't get Captain until he was 35. This Kirk got it at 20!

Pavel Checkov was 17!!



Now how many of you are willing to admit I was right when I said they would be straight out of the academy & way too young?

.....I eagery await your replies!

I get the impression that you've neither watched the movie nor 90210. Usually when you try to compare two things you'll want to have passing familiarity with at least one of the things your comparing.

 

[Psion]

A question to those who know better? How long is one typically a cadet in the Navy or Air Force (of whatever nation you're familiar with)?