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Had Nemesis been successful, what do you think ST XI would've been like?

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Personally, I'm thinking the movies after Nemesis would've gone the route of The Avengers.

Meaning that we would've seen characters from TNG, VOY, and DS9 on the big screen teaming up with each other.

And I'm guessing the storyline would've been about some enemy bringing the Federation to its knees like never before; something that would've made the Dominion War look like a walk in the park in comparison. Perhaps an all-out Borg invasion where they would've sent thousands and thousands of ships to the Alpha Quadrant (similar to the Destiny trilogy of novels).

I'm also guessing it would've lasted two-three movies.
 
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Some not-entirely-serious plot ideas:

The Enterprise assists Ambassador Spock with attempting to stop Romulus' sun going supernova; unfortunately they fail and have to watch as Romulus is destroyed. The movie ends with Spock's ship being sucked into the resultant black hole, Picard ruefully entering Spock's death into his log...

The NX-01 appears through some kind of temporal anomaly (or is caused to appear by Crewman Daniels) and its crew has to work together with the Ent-E to do some sci-fi stuff to defeat a common enemy and return to their own time.

Nah, seriously, I think if they had managed to make one more TNG film then it definitely would have been the last one, and would have been about signing the characters off in the same way TUC and What You Leave Behind were.

Don't really know what the actual plot would have been, but in terms of our cast of characters it would have been the 'end of an era', moving-on kind of piece. Assuming Nemesis went down exactly as the actual movie did, Riker and Troi have already left for the Titan, so we'd probably see fairly little of them (freeing Frakes up to possibly direct?) - as with Sulu on the Excelsior in TUC, there'd probably be a decent-sized scene with them near the beginning of the movie, a couple more small scenes as we go through before the Titan and Enterprise team up to do 'something' at the climax of the movie. I imagine B-4 has Data's memories resurface, resulting in Data's personality overwriting B-4's, or B-4 increasing his intelligence to Data's level and developing his own personality while having full access to Data's experiences. Picard would probably finally accept promotion to Admiral and the Enterprise woud sail off into the (metaphorical) sunset with a mixture of old and new crew (Geordi would probably still be chief engineer for example, while Dr. Crusher may well decide to retire or return to Earth as Picard leaves). There'd be a new Captain (possibly Riker), and I can see either Worf or Data/B-4 being XO. I'd say one of our guys dies a heroic death, but seeing as they already did that in Nemesis, then nah (unless it's Wesley).
 
Austin 3:16 said:
I'm also guessing it would've lasted two-three movies.
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The more the better of course, personally think that the TNG storyline had more mileage in it. Nemesis had it's flaws, but that doesn't (IMO) translate into the need for a full stop.

Personally, I'm thinking the movies after Nemesis would've gone the route of The Avengers.

Meaning that we would've seen characters from TNG, VOY, and DS9 on the big screen teaming up with each other.
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Something similar was floated by one of the production team, likely it would have been too expensive in term of actor's salaries.

Something would have had to of been done to explain Riker's presence, perhaps a two ship adventure with both the Enterprise and the Titan. Nemesis made clear that Riker was (finally) getting his own command. Have a new character as first officer of the Enterprise would introduce a changed command crew dynamic.

Having Frakes direct would definitely be a plus.

The same with Worf (once again). One fan's theory (from here) was that Worf left the diplomatic service prior to Nemesis and was part of the Enterprise's regular crew. Using this would get away from Worf just showing up for ... reasons.

Brent Spiner made it pretty clear he didn't want to continue to portray Data. While a hefty paycheck might have tempted him back, this might have instead resulted in absence of Data (money savings for the production), or Data being portrayed by a completely new actor/actress, or the inclusion of a new main character (fresh blood). Data being played by a actress would help step away from TNG being such a sausage fest.

A new Data and a new first officer might have started the (controversial?) gradual process of replacing the original TNG crew and lead to the continuation of the TNG franchise.

Stewart's inclusion would be a must, if possible not have his contract include script approval. Don't get me wrong, directors should listen to Stewart concerning how Picard should be portrayed, but not to the point of major scenes being inserted into the script.

The movies should be ensemble cast stories, LaForge, Crusher and Troi shouldn't be glorified extras, with one or two nice scenes and then they stand around in the background. First Contact handled this pretty well.
 
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ItIsGreen said:
The Enterprise assists Ambassador Spock with attempting to stop Romulus' sun going supernova; unfortunately they fail and have to watch as Romulus is destroyed. The movie ends with Spock's ship being sucked into the resultant black hole, Picard ruefully entering Spock's death into his log...
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Countdown: A Star Trek Story would've made an ideal quick filler movie in the long gap between ST09/ID and built on the renewed appeal of Trek. Starring Nimoy, Bana, Stewart etc and directed by Frakes

ItIsGreen said:
The NX-01 appears through some kind of temporal anomaly (or is caused to appear by Crewman Daniels) and its crew has to work together with the Ent-E to do some sci-fi stuff to defeat a common enemy and return to their own time.
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https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/enterprise-the-movie.225046/ :D
 
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From the tone of interviews given by the creative staff at the time, and the ideas that John Logan was coming up with for a potential eleventh film, I think they were fully expecting that Insurrection's weak box-office performance would be nothing more than a temporary blip for the film series, and Nemesis would be as big of a hit as First Contact, if not even bigger.

Judging by their release strategy, it evidently didn't take Paramount too long to conclude otherwise.
 
Personally I think the Borg were a completely played out concept, they were featured in a TNG movie already and Voyager explored them pretty thoroughly.

Unless something new was created about them, simply having yet another Borg attack ... why?
 
We know besides cameoing as B-4, Brent Spiner would've been out of the picture. The reason Data died was because he felt he was getting too old to play the role. Absurd really.... given that a few lines of dialogue - suggesting he was modifying his appearance, so he aged to fit in with his friends - could very well have fixed that.

I have to say I wish Nemesis had been more successful, for very many reasons. I would've liked big-screen appearances from DS9 and Voyager characters - albeit not in the direct show transfer TNG had made. TNG movies would've had to evolve, losing cast members and inheriting new ones from across the franchise, one film at a time.
 
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Brent Spiner called his plan for the next movie the "Justice League of Trek", pitting all the crews against a team of villains. Data would have been resurrected using time travel.

I'm definitely happier with what we got. This idea could have been cool, but it could very easily have been horrible.
 
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Personally I think the Borg were a completely played out concept, they were featured in a TNG movie already and Voyager explored them pretty thoroughly.

Unless something new was created about them, simply having yet another Borg attack ... why?
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Considering who was running trek at the time I think another Borg movie would have been inevitable.
 
Considering what we saw in the beginning of Into Darkness, something like that could have been done with the next TNG film. Riker could have been responsible for doing it with his ship and then everyone would have had to deal with the consequences of cultural contamination. But something more toward the Iotians from TOS 'A Piece of the Action' than the more aboriginal people from Into Darkness.

Yes, dammit, we could finally have had 'Star Trek: Planet of the Titans'. :p
 
We discover that Data was never dead, he managed to beam away a fraction of a second before the explosion, then he impersonated B4 as he did B4 in Nemesis because of a secret conspiracy plus he wanted to surprise Riker and remind him that the tune he couldn't whistle was "Pop! Goes the Weasel" He put B4 right back where they got him from, in pieces. He's discovered that there's a duplicate of Soran that's still inside the nexus and he's allied himself with what's left of the Borg from First Contact to take over the planet Ba'Ku and use it to make evil clones of all the senior staff of Enterprise-D, I mean E...er... F, that's it! F!
 
They might have brought back another TNG character

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Better still, a TNG movie with a total lack of "retread" guest characters.
 
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King Daniel Beyond said:
Brent Spiner called his plan for the next movie the "Justice League of Trek", pitting all the crews against a team of villains. Data would have been resurrected using time travel.

I'm definitely happier with what we got. This idea could have been cool, but it could very easily have been horrible.
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I think the likelihood of "horrible" is extremely substantial.

Like, about as certain as the sun coming up in the morning.
 
Even TNG's cast had gotten elderly, by the time NEM had been released ... it was time to retire the 24th Century, after INS, and I'm so sorry that didn't happen. There could only been one result: suckage ... which is exactly what we got ... and plenty of it. Marina was, like, 50 in NEM and we've got Tom Hardy acting like she's the most beautiful woman in the Galaxy. Maybe this was a character thing to show how out of touch with reality he was, or how hard-up, or whatever ... but TNG's days were already over and to entertain "Justice League of Trek" ... oh, the fan wankery! Who else would such a picture be made for but the hardcore Trekkies? Only they would've encouraged Paramount to drive STAR TREK into the dirt, rather than start over, from scratch. I love TNG so much ... so damn much ... but nothing lasts forever and it's not such a bad thing in accepting this. Stop propping up this aging cast as Space Heroes, nobody's buying it, anymore ...
 
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