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Had Nemesis been successful, what do you think ST XI would've been like?

Owain Taggart said:
The tagline for the movie was: A Generation's Final Journey Begins.

Which leads me to believe their intention was to make a trilogy, in the same way that TWoK, TSFS and TVH were trilogies with events following very closely the end of each movie. Nemesis seemed to leave a lot of things up in the air that could have been addressed in a followup. At the same time, it seemed like a passing of the torch to Riker and his crew, and I think a followup movie would have followed him (seeing as we never actually got to see the Titan on screen) and explore the idea of peace with the Romulans, closing the book on a chapter in the process.
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I doubt this. The Romulans were around in the series trying dethrone other nations like weasels they are, but I don't think it was TNG's place to end anything with them. They're more in the line of TOS villains, I thought series should've closed the hostilities with the Borg. But they couldn't do that because Voyager was using them now so they would have conjured up another lame story with a new major threat so the warship Enterprise can fight.

I would've preferred more of a peaceful, humbling tale where Picard and Co. can do what they did on the small screen. The movies would've been better off if Berman handled the TV stuff while a Hollywood producer dealt with the films. It was pretty surprising how fast TNG series ended so quickly but at that time Star Trek was pretty much overdone. There was too much Trek, and what was on wasn't the best on screen.
 
Things change though, just like eventually the war with the Klingons ended, with Worf eventually serving aboard. Before TNG, nobody ever thought we'd ever even see a Klingon not being enemies to the Federation. So, yes, I think a new era was beginning, and it was Nemesis that planted the seed. You could see Donatra was ready and willing to listen. I think it's unrealistic to think Romulans would forever be enemies. The Remans forced them to think that with a battle happening from within, that perhaps being at war with others probably wasn't for the best.
 
Would have been interesting to have Riker and the Titan crew be the new movie series of Trek after TNG ended and since none of the spinoffs (DS9, VOY, Enterprise) were movie-worthy (and the team-up being too expensive).

Otherwise, I think some form of Star Trek: The Beginning, focusing on the Romulan War, would've been developed.
 
STEPhon IT said:
I doubt this. The Romulans were around in the series trying dethrone other nations like weasels they are, but I don't think it was TNG's place to end anything with them. They're more in the line of TOS villains, I thought series should've closed the hostilities with the Borg. But they couldn't do that because Voyager was using them now so they would have conjured up another lame story with a new major threat so the warship Enterprise can fight.

I would've preferred more of a peaceful, humbling tale where Picard and Co. can do what they did on the small screen. The movies would've been better off if Berman handled the TV stuff while a Hollywood producer dealt with the films. It was pretty surprising how fast TNG series ended so quickly but at that time Star Trek was pretty much overdone. There was too much Trek, and what was on wasn't the best on screen.
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Voyager had ended before Nemesis, though.
 
Surprised nobody has mentioned (unless I've missed it) that an Avengers-style film was actually raised as a possible sequel.

One of the ideas that John Logan and I had about what the next film would have been was a Justice League of Star Trek. Something would bring all the great Star Trek villains together, from Khan to Shinzon, and Picard is the only person who could stop them and he actually has to go through time and pluck out the people he needs to help him. He goes back to the moment before Data blows up and takes him back to get Kirk and Spock, and go even further back and get Scott Bakula’s character Archer. The problem with that more than anything is cost – how do you pay for that?
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http://www.scifiheaven.net/2006/10/...eveals-the-star-trek-xi-that-could-have-been/
 
donners22 said:
Surprised nobody has mentioned (unless I've missed it) that an Avengers-style film was actually raised as a possible sequel.



http://www.scifiheaven.net/2006/10/...eveals-the-star-trek-xi-that-could-have-been/
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Mentioned a few times, beginning with post 4:
Tenacity said:
Something similar was floated by one of the production team, likely it would have been too expensive in term of actor's salaries.
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King Daniel Beyond said:
Brent Spiner called his plan for the next movie the "Justice League of Trek", pitting all the crews against a team of villains. Data would have been resurrected using time travel.

I'm definitely happier with what we got. This idea could have been cool, but it could very easily have been horrible.
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2takesfrakes said:
... but TNG's days were already over and to entertain "Justice League of Trek" ... oh, the fan wankery! Who else would such a picture be made for but the hardcore Trekkies? Only they would've encouraged Paramount to drive STAR TREK into the dirt, rather than start over, from scratch. I love TNG so much ... so damn much ... but nothing lasts forever and it's not such a bad thing in accepting this. Stop propping up this aging cast as Space Heroes, nobody's buying it, anymore ...
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Austin 3:16 said:
Voyager had ended before Nemesis, though.
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After what Voyager did, I doubt there was an interest in the Borg anymore, but Berman and Co. would've been better off going with them anyway. I mean, they somehow manage to make the infallible one an Admiral in Nemesis. She could've been used better for the plot if the Borg was in the new movie...
 
STEPhon IT said:
I mean, they somehow manage to make the infallible one an Admiral in Nemesis. She could've been used better for the plot if the Borg was in the new movie...
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Yeah, but that would have required us to put up with her the whole movie. It was great when she was in a series you could choose not to watch.
 
It's a funny thing that while I like the idea of some implausible plot bringing 4 or 5 series characters together...

...that they do so because of a super villain team-up of Khan, Shinzon, the Borg Queen and whoever, suddenly kills it totally stone dead. Like the 1966 Batman movie, but without the laughs.

Such a film needs no bad guys at all. There's probably enough interpersonal conflict up there, between different eras. Just let's explore and find a weird space-time phenomena style story, that both explains how three centuries meet in the same place and can be fascinating in its own right. I don't know, maybe break the established rules surrounding warp travel, that ensures how time all happens at the same rate for those travelling and those left behind. Like Interstellar, where one crew sets off on a quest... only for some of them to be separated and return generations later virtually the same age.

Either that or a late 24th or early 25th Century setting, and a combination of flashbacks involving the human characters from the earlier series settings, leaving the longer lived alien or artificial characters who could conceivably still be around to do the crossover scenes.
 
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All things considered, they could have done a reboot of TNG with bald-headed Tom Hardy as Picard.

On the Enterprise-B....because it was called the "next" generation, not 'a significantly later generation'. :p
 
Discofan said:
As he grows old Tom Hardy looks less and less like Picard.
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He never looked anything like Picard except for the bald head which Picard didn't have at his age or did he?

I don't know how they could have done any more movies after NEM with Data's death and Riker being re-assigned. If they were to do something it would be to have a movie with the cast from VOY, DS9 and TNG together with minimal Picard. I know Picard's the best character but he'd just dominate the other casts.
 
STEPhon IT said:
After what Voyager did, I doubt there was an interest in the Borg anymore, but Berman and Co. would've been better off going with them anyway. I mean, they somehow manage to make the infallible one an Admiral in Nemesis. She could've been used better for the plot if the Borg was in the new movie...
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Thing is, while First Contact was popular, the scenario was played out. What would they do exactly? Another invasion movie? Especially after what Voyager had done. In terms of Trek timeline, it doesn't seem all that practical.
 
Commishsleer said:
He never looked anything like Picard except for the bald head which Picard didn't have at his age or did he?

I don't know how they could have done any more movies after NEM with Data's death and Riker being re-assigned. If they were to do something it would be to have a movie with the cast from VOY, DS9 and TNG together with minimal Picard. I know Picard's the best character but he'd just dominate the other casts.
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B4 could have grown (in a manner of speaking) to be sort of like Data and be part of a new adventure that would have necessitated the old team to get back together one last time.
 
The fact the teasers all said "the next generation's final jouney begins" (paraphrased, didn't the movie posters also say the same thing?) made me a bit wary of the film at the time. Then I saw the film... Who didn't develop empathic abilities like Troi the day after they saw any teaser or poster but the fay before seeing the movie?

If X was successful, then we'd have the Titan spinoff movies and everyone making a cameo except dead Data. I doubt they'd do a "Star Trek XI: The Search for Data", even sponsored by T-Mobile for a cheap promotional...

ST:VI was wildly successful despite the studio having zero faith (reusing TNG sets beyond belief) and TOS was all a bunch of elderly cast members in a tour de force as well (I respectfully disagree, 2takesfrakes, the cast being older isn't an excuse, especially as INS and NEM had the most bass-ackwards storylines and chintzy dialogue for the actors to squirm with...)
 
IMO, given a sufficient budget, they could have done an ultimate episode with an aged crew coming together one last time for a worthwhile mission. Say Picard thinks he's present in three different time periods at the same time and the fate of the entire quadrant is at stake, Picard is obsessed with chickens and eggs and Data... I mean B4 has grown a skunk on his head... Geordi writes flamboyant novels and Picard thinks he's being mocked by midgets...
...well, maybe not... too far-fetched!
 
I always thought that TNG wasn't done with the Borg and that they would have appeared in the next film! VOY had finished so there was no reason for them not to appear and TNG was the series that they were first featured in!
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After Picard opposing his own clone, they would have to go with something heavier, like maybe Picard vs. Mirror Picard. Or maybe it turns out that Data wasn't dead but really was pretending to be B4 for some mysterious reason that would be revealed in the next one.
And they could throw in a couple of Borg cubes for good measure...
And why not a mad scientist obsessed with his own mortality...
And a bunch of people who had reverted to a machine free society and who had mysteriously mastered the art of working in the dirt while remaining amazingly clean...
 
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