Great, Overlooked TNG Episodes

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by KevinGrem, May 11, 2016.

  1. Physics of Trekkies

    Physics of Trekkies Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I definitely personally disagree with Roddenberry on religion and I always interpreted Picard's speech as a rare glimpse of his OWN beliefs while he would be happy to be tolerant of all religious beliefs as he is actively working hard not to BE a religious icon to the proto-Vulcans (I don't remember their species name).

    I am unsure how one can be spiritual without religious belief myself, but if you want you can DM me or we could continue this on a general discussion board so as not to detract from the TNG flow here. :):beer:
     
  2. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I can find much to enjoy in Seasons 1 and 2. Encounter at Farpoint is very much a kind of comfort food for me and I could say the same of many episodes from those seasons. Even the worst I find watchable in a kind of 'Spock's Brain' way.

    So many to choose from...

    I really like:
    [SIZE=6]11001001
    Where No One Has Gone Before
    Pen Pals
    Where Silence Has Lease
    The Schizoid Man
    When the Bough Breaks[/SIZE]
     
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  3. MrPicard

    MrPicard Jean-Luc's Loving Husband Premium Member

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    I think "Too Short A Season" is very underrated/overlooked, but then, I'm a fan of (most of) TNG's first two seasons. Everyone always goes on about how bad the make-up is, but if you can look beyond that it's a solid episode with a somewhat solid plot, especially for TNG's first season where things are admittedly... weird sometimes (I like weird, but not "Code Of Honor" levels of horrible, mind). Sure it kinda features the Badmiral trope but in this case it's not nearly as bad as it could get on TNG sometimes.
     
  4. DaystromDropout

    DaystromDropout Lieutenant Commander Newbie

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    Hotel Royale
     
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  5. DaystromDropout

    DaystromDropout Lieutenant Commander Newbie

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    Hello friend. I should have scrolled up. It's my all time favorite TNG episode. I also enjoyed "The Lonely Among Us"
     
  6. at Quark's

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    Even though it was a very different situation, one wonders what Picard must have thought about Sisko becoming the Emissary, a man he was involved in getting to that Bajor command himself.
     
  7. dupersuper

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    This planet; what do you call it?
    ...Earrrth...what do you call it?
    Theta 116.
    How charming.
     
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  8. Physics of Trekkies

    Physics of Trekkies Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I think he would approve how Sisko approached it in the first few years, but when they started getting personal, it got harder for the Sisko. I remember distinctly Admiral Ross giving him a direct order to ignore a vision to go to a disastrous battle.

    I always thought it was not even really a RELIGIOUS dilemma though since we get to SEE the Prophets' visions and we get to KNOW Sisko is not crazy to doubt the wisdom of the battle on their Word alone.

    It kind of undercuts the whole "religiosity" of the Prophets for us the viewer. Due to their long history of loving and protecting Bajor and due to the proven effects of time in their level and its non-linearity, we all have solid evidence and good reasoning to trust their word for practically the whole series.

    It's not really a qualified "leap of faith".
     
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  9. at Quark's

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    True, it wouldn't be a leap of fath for him (*) nor even for Starfleet. I was just referring to the fact that Sisko very much became a religious figure in the eyes of the Bajoran public, and Sisko's gradual acceptance of that role (regardless of whether he liked it or not), something Picard probably had very ambiguous feelings about.

    (*) although, literally, it is, if you take 'faith' to mean 'trust'. Sisko learns to trust their judgement even though they are no religious icons to him.
     
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  10. urrutiap

    urrutiap Ensign Red Shirt

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    Ive been binge watching Season 7 of Star Trek Next Generation and noticed some things

    the Cardassians pretty much the General Custer type soldiers where theyre forcing not only Bajorans off of planets but also Native Americans that were living on a planet where theyre also forced to move. Same episode where Wesley learns from the Traveler how to stop/pause time
     
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  11. ThankQ

    ThankQ Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Here's my list by season. I left out anything that's typically listed in Top-10/20 lists. Some of these are in my Top 10 list, even though they may appear in few others'. I've bolded ones that are in my Top 10 TNG list--maybe Top 12. I've never actually sat down and made a list.

    The Arsenal of Freedom
    The Neutral Zone

    Where Silence has Lease
    The Royale
    Up the Long Ladder

    Who Watches the Watchers
    The Defector
    The Most Toys


    Remember Me
    Future Imperfect
    Devil's Due
    Clues

    A Matter of Time
    Conundrum
    Time's Arrow I

    Schisms
    Starship Mine
    The Chase
    Frame of Mind

    Sub Rosa*




    *Naw, just fucking kidding, dude. :rofl:
     
  12. Xhiandra

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    I'd go further: DS9 presented us with one "true" religion, with one "true" interpretation.
    It's clear that we're meant to think the Vorta/Jem'hadar's religion is false and nefarious, the Klingon religion as harmful cultural practices but with no real substance, the Ferengi religion as a joke and the Bajoran religion as true and beneficial, so long as you don't go full fanatic (early Winn, the "other emissary") or turn towards the "bad ones" (cult of the Pagh-wraiths, late Dukat and late Winn).
    The prophets/gods and pagh-wraiths/devils do exist, they are fantastical beings, they do interfere in world events, ... you could argue that they're no more gods than Q, but the difference is that Q is treated like an omnipotent being with little morality, whereas the prophets are beings that guide many characters, including Sisko (by S7) and Kira.

    I'm not sure it's very nuanced in doing that, it's just an allegory for Abrahamic religions (probably christianity in particular), and the existence of competing interpretations doesn't really help in that regard: sectarian conflict isn't exactly uncommon.

    It's say DS9's approach is more in tune with the (American) status quo, not more nuanced.
     
  13. at Quark's

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    What I think is interesting about the depiction of Bajoran religion is that even though it's portrayed as true and validated for the Bajorans (and the Prophets confirmed as existing entitities), it seems to make no claim at universality even though it does influence events on a galactic scale every now and then. That is, there seems to be no attempt at proselytizing outsiders into the religion. That seems more in line with some views in antiquity, that each nation had their own god(s) but those gods were still able to effect supranational events.
     
  14. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Commodore Commodore

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    Ancient Nations often tended to work with the idea that the gods of other peoples were just their own under different names though. Something that doesn't seem be the case with the Bajorans, to them the Prophets seem to be "of Bajor" and "for Bajor" exclusively, even if they sometimes influence galactic events.So it seems they are more akin to an ancient reginal deity that was worshipped in one location exclusively, or was exalted over all other gods by the locals, like the Artemis of Ephesus.
    It would be interesting to know whether the Bajorans believed that other planets or species had their own "Prophets" or whether they believed themselves to be an exclusively chosen people, like the Ancient Hebrews eventually came to view themselves.
     
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  15. RAMA

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    There are some bad episodes, even some unwatchable ones, but I agree, there are some that are generally disliked that are very rewatchable, season 1 and 2 included.

    Some of your episodes are in my top 25 TNG eps!

    RAMA

     
  16. Physics of Trekkies

    Physics of Trekkies Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Generally confused by your post in that you take my point further but argue that DS9 is not as nuanced as I imagine?

    I will say this though: DS9 was one of the most interesting looks at religion and theology that has ever been on TV. And is more nuanced than I think even you are seeing.

    Why does early Winn never get a vision from the Prophets? Why does Winn get a vision from the Pagh-wraiths? We as viewers know why and could probably explain it using only the terms and concepts within Bajoran theology to any given Vedek ....WITHOUT EVER BEING DIRECTLY TOLD BY THE WRITERS.

    That is nuance imo.

    Edit: Bold was merely for emphasis - not emotional here. Cheers
     
  17. ThankQ

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    How on Earth did I leave off Elementary, Dear Data and Ship in a Bottle?
    TNGs best two-parter!

    YEAH! I SAID IT!
     
  18. Physics of Trekkies

    Physics of Trekkies Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Most underrated two-parter for sure.
     
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  19. GulBahana

    GulBahana Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I thought The Royale was a fun episode when I first saw it.
     
  20. dupersuper

    dupersuper Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Where we learn the Enterprise holodeck can accidentally create sapient life...and then just run it as usual for 6 years until that life creates a wife? Pass.