GR vs. JJ

[Valenti]

Exactly so.

Not story wise IMHO.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not story wise IMHO.

Story isn't important, remember?

 

[Valenti]

My meaning was that it is the most important thing. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[Nerys Myk]

My meaning was that is the most important thing. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

What is? Story?

 

[Valenti]

Story/concept. They're both the same thing and I say it is the most important thing in Star Trek.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Story/concept. They're both the same thing and I say it is the most important thing in Star Trek.

No, they're not.

 

[Valenti]

You're parcing semantics

 

[Nerys Myk]

You're parcing semantics

A concept and and actual story are two separate thing. No parsing involved.

 

[Valenti]

Can we agree to call them two parts of the same thing?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Can we agree to call them two parts of the same thing?

Depends on the thing. The concept of Star Trek is not a story.

 

[Mudd]

Not story wise IMHO.

Sure, story wise IMO.

 

[Valenti]

But then again Star Trek is a story after all. Is it not? Many stories.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But then again Star Trek is a story after all. Is it not? Many stories.

Yes and?

 

[XCV330]

Everything is better with Cumberbatch.

 

[Valenti]

Stories come directly from concepts, but there are good stories and concepts and bad stories and concepts.

 

[Vger23]

I find myself rolling my eyes more and more frequently at the "Star Trek is IMPORTANT and STUFF" crowd these days.

I want to be entertained by people having adventures on spaceships. That's it.

I don't care about any IMPORTANT stuff that is supposedly baked in there or whatever. If I need to get messages and values from a TV show...fuck.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Stories come directly from concepts, but there are good stories and concepts and bad stories and concepts.

Well yeah. But a concept takes a lot of work to be come a story. You can even get a good story from a bad concept and vice versa.
But back to the original point, Star Trek is not a story.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I find myself rolling my eyes more and more frequently at the "Star Trek is IMPORTANT and STUFF" crowd these days.

I want to be entertained by people having adventures on spaceships. That's it.

I don't care about any IMPORTANT stuff that is supposedly baked in there or whatever. If I need to get messages and values from a TV show...fuck.

Baked

 

[Vger23]

But back to the original point, Star Trek is not a story.

Sometimes I think lots people are more fans of the Trek "Universe" and "continuity" than of any individual parts of the franchise itself.

Which I find utterly ridiculous.

 

[Valenti]

Star Trek is about a story, not a universe or continuity. Can we at least agree on that?