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Spoilers Gotham - Season 3

Nerys Myk said:
I think that boat has sailed. By the time Bruce dons the cape and cowl all his foes will have a decade or two on him. ;)
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Well then he shouldn't have that difficult of a time cleaning up the streets of Gotham against his senior citizen rogues gallery.

When Bane picks Batman up to break his back, his own back will go out.
 
There's no way this show is supposed to result in anything resembling the Batman mythos we know and love. The villains are all 10-20 years older than Bruce. This is clearly an alternate take on Batman. So they might as well go nuts with it.
 
To which version of the Batman mythos do you refer? There's like a hundred different interpretations, variations and retellings in the comics alone, not to mention the various movies, tv shows and cartoons so I don't see this show as any more or less valid than any of those.
 
Any of the versions where the bad guys aren't old enough to be Batman's father :beer:

And again, I really enjoy this show. I look forward to it more than any other comic book show on tv, even though it's ridiculously over the top. I'm just saying it's taking a different tack.
 
Quotes from Bruno Heller, showrunner of the worst comic book show on TV, at the Edinburgh Television Festival:

"I don't think superheroes work very well on TV. Probably because of the costume thing."

"TV is about real people and faces, and not so much about magic and the supernatural things."

"Every season is moving towards the world, in which Batman has to emerge to save the day. So every season is doubling down on the chaos and anarchy that is overtaking Gotham. So, things keep getting worse.”

“The comic book constituency has become so large and visible with the whole Comic-Con thing that it is very easy to assume that the audience is purely comic book enthusiasts. But I operate the show on the basis that it is a mistake to just go there.”
 
It is dissapointing to see Heller say that, especially when there are so many superhero shows on right now that prove him wrong. It also makes me think that it would disprove the rumor that
Gordon might become Batman this season. There are still plenty of other possibilities that wouldn't require him to wear a costume like Manhunter or Vigilante.
 
Aragorn said:
Quotes from Bruno Heller, showrunner of the worst comic book show on TV, at the Edinburgh Television Festival:

"I don't think superheroes work very well on TV. Probably because of the costume thing."
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That supports what I've suspected all along -- that the reason the show is such a mess is because it's in the hands of someone who doesn't understand or respect superhero stories and thinks they have to be campy and ludicrous. So at the same time, he's trying to do something campy and ludicrous while also playing against that and being all gritty and serious.


"TV is about real people and faces, and not so much about magic and the supernatural things."
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Riiiight, because there's never been a successful TV series about anything supernatural... Surely no series with, say, the word Supernatural in its title could ever make it to a second season, let alone an eleventh...
 
Yeah, that quote is just bizarre all around. I don't know how anybody who has paid any attention to the last decade or so of TV could actually say that stuff.
 
JD said:
Yeah, that quote is just bizarre all around. I don't know how anybody who has paid any attention to the last decade or so of TV could actually say that stuff.
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Not only that, but it's being said by the showrunner of a TV series where anyone who dies can be brought back to life, and where they want to sexy up a character played by a minor so they're gonna have some pseudoscience supernatural explanation for her rapidly aging into a full grown adult.
 
Just a theory. I remember once they asked another showrunner what shows he liked. He answered that unfortunately he didn't have the time to follows other tv shows.

Perhaps he just doesn't really know that other successful supernatural/superhero shows exist. I mean, probably he heard the titles but they didn't register with him.

Look at his resume:
  • Touching Evil
  • The Huntress
  • The Advocates
  • Rome
  • The Mentalist
All his body of work is composed by gritty drama. Probably more fantastic genres is out of his vision field.

So when he tries to inject fantasy/sci-fi elements in Gotham he is using something that he is not sure what it is.
 
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Skipper said:
So when he tries to inject fantasy/sci-fi elements in Gotham he is using something that he is not sure what it is.
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Which just goes to show that he's the wrong person to be doing a show like this.

Or maybe it means this isn't the way he was originally intended to do the show. As I've said before, I got the sense early on, when the first announcements of the show came out, that it was supposed to be a gritty crime drama about Jim Gordon battling the mob and police corruption, and that Bruce Wayne would be a background character and other Batman elements would be secondary. I still suspect that Geller was hired to do a gritty crime drama, but then fandom did what it always does and condemned it sight unseen, making noise about "Oh, how can they do a Batman show without Batman or his villains?" -- and then someone at the network or Warner Bros. overreacted to the fan response and demanded that Geller pile on more Batman villains and story threads even though it made an incongruous mess of the show's premise. The fact that Geller is totally the wrong person to do a comic-booky show just reinforces my belief that this wasn't originally supposed to be a comic-booky show at all.
 
Maybe, frustrated at not being able to do his original premise, he's decided to "go all in" with the supposed studio demands.

"You want more Batman villain stuff? I'll give you Batman villain stuff. (mutters: they'll see. I'll show them how over the top this stuff can get.)"

Of course, we're not privy to what is actually going on behind the scenes. Could make good fodder for the release of the final season (whenever that is) in the extras and commentaries. Or not.
 
Ovation said:
Maybe, frustrated at not being able to do his original premise, he's decided to "go all in" with the supposed studio demands.
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Or perhaps he is just doing the work to the best of his capacities. He is just not the right person. It would be like asking Michael Bay to do a serious adaption of a Jane Austen's novel. Even if he tried to be adherent to the original material, probably fans of the genre would consider the result farcical and disrespectful.
 
It really does amaze at times how clueless some of these executives seem to be.
 
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We also have the official description for the season premiere, "Mad City: To Reign In Hell".
T’S A MAD CITY ON THE ALL-NEW SEASON THREE PREMIERE OF “GOTHAM” MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, ON FOX

Gordon works in a monster-ridden Gotham as a bounty hunter and seeks to find answers about the Indian Hill escapees, and why their powers appear to be killing them. Meanwhile, Bruce’s doppelganger roams the streets, and Barbara and Tabitha open a new nightclub called The Sirens in the all-new “Mad City: Better to Reign in Hell…” Season Premiere episode of GOTHAM airing Monday, Sept. 19 (8:00-9:01 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (GTH-301) (TV-14; L, V)

Cast: Ben McKenzie as Detective James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Morena Baccarin as Leslie Thompkins, Sean Pertwee as Alfred, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle/the future Catwoman, Cory Michael Smith as Edward Nygma/the future Riddler, Jessica Lucas as Tabitha Galavan, Chris Chalk as Lucius Fox, Drew Powell as Butch Gilzean, Michael Chiklis as Detective Nathaniel Barnes

Guest Cast: Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish Mooney, Jamie Chung as Valerie Vale, James Carpinello as Mario, Tonya Pinkins as Ethel Peabody, Richard Kind as Mayor Aubrey James, Clare Foley as Ivy Pepper.
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I was surprised to see Jada Pinkett Smith is just a guest star, I was expecting her to be back up to a full time regular.
We appear to also just have Clare Foley credited as Ivy, so I guess she must not be aged up until later in the season.
"The Sirens"? A reference to the Gotham City Sirens perhaps?
 
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