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Gotham - Season 1

Are we sure she's a Pepper?

The mother seems like she's been through a few husbands and will still go through a few more by the time she's finished.
 
There's a reason Ivy's name isn't Pamela Isley, and I'll let Bruno Heller deliver it:
"It’s really about being able to tell the secret histories of these stories. If you just re-tell stories exactly as they’ve been told before, whilst you’re being true to the created mythology, you’re not really adding anything to it. So you have to find ways of finding more. And in this case, we’ve set up a situation in which Ivy Pepper, her mom is sick, her dad is dead… She’s going to go to the orphanage. And she’s a nice young girl; relatively undamaged. And she will find people to adopt her. And then we will start on the Poison Ivy story that people are familiar with."
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Decent first episode, but after shown mercy, why would the Penguin slash some old bum's throat for a ham sandwich?

And at the start of the show, why wasn't that pill-seeking prisoner in cuffs before being put in the slammer?
 
I liked it but didn't love it. It was a good start, but my issue is it seemed like they were going out of their way to have as many batman references as they could, and the introduction of Ivy was a little eye rolling. Still, I loved the atmosphere they captured with Gotham, and the guy playing Jim Gordon was really good in the role. It's a series I'm going to stick with for now hoping it gets better.
 
Ugh, found it really disappointing myself. The show looks fantastic of course (probably one of the best looking shows I've seen in awhile in fact), and the casting was great. But my god, the writing and dialogue were just SO painfully simplistic and obvious. There was barely an ounce of subtlety or nuance to any of it, with the characters coming across like just a bunch of paper-thin caricatures (the only one with any real depth was Gordon, but I think that was due mostly to McKenzie and not to anything he was actually given to say or do).

I think the most laughable part had to be when Montoya tells his girlfriend about the frame-job... only so the girlfriend can then tell Gordon in the very next scene... followed immediately by Gordon confronting Montoya about it. The whole thing came across so easy and convenient, and was done with the most obvious dialogue imaginable.

I'm not expecting anything as deep or complex as the Nolan movies or anything here, but I was at least hoping for a bit of substance in this show. And I didn't see much at all here.
 
It's a pilot, and pilots tend to be awkward and overstuffed. This was no exception.
All Gorden's juniors in the book are now his seniors. gotta get used to that.

ANyhoo...

¡Me gusta!:
-Robin Lord Taylor's Cobblepot for the win!
-The scene where Bullock and Gordon meet Fish. Excellent way to show that the cops and crooks are one big corrupt family. I like that Gordon didn't explode into self-righteous fury during it.
-Montoya and Crispin. I hope it was the intent, and I'm not reading into it. But they came across as more ambitious than righteous.
-Falcone. The old king at the tippy-top of his powers. Confidently and effortlessly exerting his authority. Now let's see it all slide out of control.

¡No Me gusta!
-The hostage scene. Frankly, Gordon's gambit was kinda reckless. And the aftermath didn't convey corruption despite the beating the perp got. Don't pull guns on cops, especially in front of other criminals was the lesson for the day.
-Jailbait Catgirl. Too slick, too intrusive, too unnecessary.
-CSI Riddler. They have a lot to do to sell me on that. IN the future every cop in Gotham will instantly think of Eddie when the Riddler shows up, skip the riddles and just go to his place and arrest him.
-That apartment. Despite the explanation, the impression was that If the good cops steal that much, the bad cops must live like kings.
-Poison Ivy's childhood is pretty irrelevant to the character. Her inclusion to the Wayne murder just adds an element of "huh?" to her.


Overall:
Not dull, but not great. Didn't dig itself into a hole of suck at least. I'm on the fence on a lot characters, but it has lots of Potential. I will continue to monitor the situation.
 
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Decent first episode, but after shown mercy, why would the Penguin slash some old bum's throat for a ham sandwich?

And at the start of the show, why wasn't that pill-seeking prisoner in cuffs before being put in the slammer?

What year is it?

Did I see a cell phone?

If it is the olden days, rules about throwing someone in holding is different.

The new Episode of The Good Wife, yesterday, had one of the lawyers get processed, and it looked like France 2 hundred years ago. "YOU! STAY ON THIS SIDE OF THAT LINE! THIS SIDE IS FOR SCUMBAGS, AND THAT SIDE IS FOR DECENT PEOPLE!"

The Mysteries of Laura, Debra Messing in My "Mom is a Cop", had a Junkie with a gun to an innocent bystanders head in a park, she standing there 15 feet away, ordering the junkie to stand down and let the hostage go on the count of 3, or she will shoot. 1. 2. 3. BANG! "Why does no one ever believe me when I say that I will shoot them?"

Par for the course.
 
Thought it was just okay. I see a lot of potential, but compared to pilot episodes of its peers (Arrow, SHIELD, Flash), I thought it was a little weak.

The dialog was kind of awkward and clunky in parts. It definitely lacked that snappy polish one expects from modern TV. Some of the "jokes" were forced, and a lot of the interpersonal conflict seemed to be a bit artificial if not unbelievable. It was also kind of generic and mired in cliché.

There was also a huge lack of any real suspense. I think this has to do with the plotting structure. There was never any sense of escalation, and the climax was, well, anticlimactic--and a serious cop-out.

I didn't think it was necessary to try and shoehorn the entire first page of the rogues' gallery into one episode just for the sake of it. Ivy, Cat, Riddles, and Joker-Of-The-Week (Is this really going to be a thing?) could have been completely omitted and nothing would have changed.

I also think it suffers from a bit of identity crisis. It can't decide if it wants to be suspenseful comicbook action, a procedural, or a noir whodunit. That's not to say, it can take form all, but it should really focus on one. I think a big reason the plot was so uneven was because it kept jumping back and forth between genres.

That said, the acting was solid and the character conception seems promising. They've done an amazing job with the setting and around tone and atmosphere to really create the perfect ambience. If they can work out the kinks, then I think it can be a pretty good show with the potential of being great.
 
I forgot to pay attention for cellphones.

Google says that they were there, but google is an untrustworthy dick.

I fast forwarded through the pilot and face palmed.

Near the end when Jim is strung up in the meat packers, Harvey calls Fish on a Flip phone, and Fish answers on a flip phone... Which doesn't scream 2014 to me.

In Scorpion tonight (which was much better then Gotham.), how they saved the world also relied on a flip phone, but how they relied on flip phone is that they are old and stupid.

So poor people may still be using flip phones in 2014, okay, poor people ARE still using flip phones in 2014, but Fish wouldn't because it would make her look old and out of touch, when that's the last image she wants to project if she is an up and comer.

The computer in the police station, no one had lcd monitors, but Jim either had a large flat screen tv above his mantle in the lounge or it was a very dark painting (no seriously, flip a coin).

Didn't see any date on that Newspaper, Pause and enlarged the picture. Which didn't help.

Maybe it's not 2014, but it's clearly after the turn of the century.
 
It's been stated that the series is set in present day, so, yes, it's 2014; it's just a Noir version of 2014... hence the retro aesthetic and props.
 
I also think it suffers from a bit of identity crisis. It can't decide if it wants to be suspenseful comicbook action, a procedural, or a noir whodunit. That's not to say, it can take form all, but it should really focus on one. I think a big reason the plot was so uneven was because it kept jumping back and forth between genres.

Yeah on one hand it felt like it was trying to be this gritty cop show (with McKenzie's Gordon being all super intense and serious), but yet he's operating in this colorful comic book world with a bunch of cheesy, one-dimensional villains. And the two things just didn't seem to mesh together that well.

Either McKenzie needs to dial back the intensity, or the villains need to become a lot more serious and complex.
 
It's been stated that the series is set in present day, so, yes, it's 2014; it's just a Noir version of 2014... hence the retro aesthetic and props.

Modern day with the wrong technology means that it is a more alternate universe than we were expecting and therefore not "our today" but somewhere totally different who has a calendar that says that it is 2014.

All the cars are 20 to 40 years old.

A stylistic choice by the Producer doesn't mean shit unless it's explained in-universe. You can't just blame inconsistencies on wizards. It's not Xena.

I suppose if you consider Cuba's restrictive (although not impossible) rules for importing new cars, it is possible that Hybrids and SUV's have been outlawed in Gotham for some reason.

But that sounds like 2020, not 2014.

Something is horribly wrong with every car made after 1970 that, they all had to be destroyed... Which is sorta what happened in Defiance. Only old cars (before 1980?) could be converted to the use the new alien fuel source.

Elwood Blues said something about catalytic converters being shit.

I trust Elwood. He has an honest face.

But so thin!

That poor boy needs to eat more regular.

Oh?

Elwood got the shit beat out of him by a Penguin too.

:)
 
I didn't even notice the technology level, I'll have to keep an eye out next time.

I thought it was an interesting pilot. I like cop shows and I love Batman, and they certainly name-dropped enough characters to keep me interested. I particularly geeked out to see Montoya and Allen as regulars.

I hope we see more of Bruce in the series, though. He was barely in this.
 
Do children point and squeal?

IPhone 17 came out last week.

It's not like this new technology which the kids have, has the half life to make it into the third hand market.

You're not going to be able to calmly jog behind America at a distance of 10 years

When you graduate to an Iphone, there will be no intermediary starter phone.

Feet first.

It's just going to be Iphone 25 and your shredded patience.

You Vs. It.

Don't let the side down.

:)

Sorry.

Did you see Hot Tub Timemachine 1?

(Yes, a sequel is almost upon us. I saw a trailer a month ago.)

How Daryl form the Office finally proved that he was in the past after seeing someone with a walk man didn't quite do it...

"What colour is Michael Jackson?"
 
It was clear that Fish beat his legs quite badly, probably breaking something. Only a short time passed between that beating and the scene on the pier, because the beating occurred at the same time that Butch was stringing up Bullock alongside Gordon. So he was unquestionably limping from those freshly inflicted injuries. He couldn't not be.

Eh, I'm still going to argue the idea of "TV healing." We'll see how it plays out and while you may certainly be correct, I don't think his beating is a proper evidence. It happens all of the time in TV and movies where people receive severe beatings and injuries and come out of it okay after they crouch behind a barrel for a while and let their health-bar refill. ;)

What year is it?

Did I see a cell phone?

The show is being intentionally ambiguous about the specific year. We see modern technology but the cops are driving around in 30-year-old cars. And, yes, we saw a cell-phone. Gordon is called on it by Bullock before they go meet Fish. It looked to be a simple flip-phone and not a more modern-looking iPhone or other smart phone, but it wasn't a blocky awkward looking flip-phone either as it was slim and fairly modern looking. Probably actually was a present-day flip-phone.
 
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As for the Penguin name, wasn't Fish calling him her Penguin before she beat him?

I believe it was her henchman Butch Gilzean who initially called him Penguin in the scene where they were beating the man out behind her club. Presumably he got the nickname due to his beaklike nose and the suit he wears. The later injury and limp only exacerbates the use of the nickname he despises.


Decent first episode, but after shown mercy, why would the Penguin slash some old bum's throat for a ham sandwich?

Because he's ruthless and only cares about himself. He'd just endured a savage beating, been locked in a trunk, believed he was going to be shot, fallen into a river that must've been ice-cold (we saw snow on the ground at the Wayne estate, so this is winter), and swum a considerable distance across that river to reach the other shore, all with injured legs. That's bound to take a lot out of a person, so it's understandable that he'd be starving and desperate. A normal person would've begged for the sandwich, but he's a sadistic and ruthless criminal, so his impulse was to kill for it.


All Gorden's juniors in the book are now his seniors. gotta get used to that.

Pretty much what happened in Smallville too vis-a-vis Clark.


-Montoya and Crispin. I hope it was the intent, and I'm not reading into it. But they came across as more ambitious than righteous.

I don't know where Crispus Allen stands, but Montoya, in her scene with Barbara, seemed genuinely disgusted by what she believed to be Gordon's corruption. She can't be part of the current system without being tainted, but I suspect she's redeemable. I mean, it's Renee Montoya. In the comics, she's a superhero, the Question. So they wouldn't make her a corrupt scumbag, would they?


-That apartment. Despite the explanation, the impression was that If the good cops steal that much, the bad cops must live like kings.

But it's not Gordon's apartment, it's Barbara's. She's the rich one.


Eh, I'm still going to argue the idea of "TV healing." We'll see how it plays out and while you may certainly be correct, I don't think his beating is a proper evidence. It happens all of the time in TV and movies where people receive severe beatings and injuries and come out of it okay after they crouch behind a barrel for a while and let their health-bar refill. ;)

I really don't follow your reasoning here. We were shown a scene where the character was clearly beaten around the legs, and the very next time we saw the character, he was limping badly -- a limp that we see he retains in the preview for the next episode. It's obvious there was an intentional cause and effect there. You don't normally see beating scenes that concentrate on the legs, so clearly that was chosen specifically to set up his limp in the following scene. Given that the Penguin has long been known for his waddling walk, at least since the days of Burgess Meredith if not the original comics, it's clear that the intent here was to show the origin of that gait.
 
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