Gotham - Season 1

[Mach5]

This show is literally making fun of the Batman mythos.

Not at all -- it's reinforcing it by showing how badly Gotham needed heroes.

I didn't mean it literally. This show is so straightforward, so in your face and unsubtle that it feels more like a parody, than a prequel.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Batman runs around in the dark beating street thugs half to death.

Superman rescues kittens from trees.

Hero is a very relative term.

Now who's not thinking multidimensionally?

 

[Christopher]

Remember Batman: Year One? Batman beats up the SWAT team sent in to arrest/kill him... and he saves a cat when they blow up the tenement.

 

[Mr Light]

I think it's a very subtle show... like there's that police scientist who's weird and creepy and keeps asking everyone riddles... I think he might become someone... Barry Allen?

 

[tomswift2002]

Didn't they already mention that the scientists name was Edward Nygma?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Didn't they already mention that the scientists name was Edward Nygma?

Check your Bat-joke detector, old chum.

 

[Shawnster]

I think it's a very subtle show... like there's that police scientist who's weird and creepy and keeps asking everyone riddles... I think he might become someone... Barry Allen?

Didn't they already mention that the scientists name was Edward Nygma?

Yeah, he's not Barry Allen, duh!... But this Edward Nygma fella... he likes to tell jokes... he's the Joker!

 

[Trekker4747]

I'm surprised to hear that. I felt this was the first actually good episode in the series so far...

I thought so too, it was great seeing the "softer" or "truer" side of Bullock. No Fish Mooney was a relief, saved on the scenery budget this week, the thing I just don't buy is tension/drama between Barbara and MCU-Cop lady. It's not working for me.

And I can't believe they got a warrant to arrest Gordon on a partial statement from some drunken transient fishing on a pier.

 

[Christopher]

the thing I just don't buy is tension/drama between Barbara and MCU-Cop lady.

That's Renee Montoya.

 

[Trekker4747]

the thing I just don't buy is tension/drama between Barbara and MCU-Cop lady.

That's Renee Montoya.

Thanks, I'm horrible with names.

 

[tomswift2002]

Didn't they already mention that the scientists name was Edward Nygma?

Yeah, he's not Barry Allen, duh!... But this Edward Nygma fella... he likes to tell jokes... he's the Joker!

Edward Nygma liked to tell riddles. And the police scientist guy is always talking in riddles.

 

[Greg Cox]

the thing I just don't buy is tension/drama between Barbara and MCU-Cop lady.

That's Renee Montoya.

Thanks, I'm horrible with names.

Renee is a long-standing DC character, dating back to the old BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES, I believe. She eventually becomes a superhero, The Question, in her own right in the comics, although I doubt GOTHAM will go there . . ..

Then again, that does fit with GOTHAM's mission statement: to show us all these characters before they become legendary heroes and villains. I'm almost surprised that they aren't telegraphing Renee's future as well:

"Always with the questions, Montoya? You just can't let things go. You always have one more question . . . ."

 

[Christopher]

Renee is a long-standing DC character, dating back to the old BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES, I believe.

Basically. She was created for the animated series, but since comics are produced faster, she actually debuted in comics shortly before she first appeared on TV. (Similarly to the Aqualad character created for the animated Young Justice a few years back. And not unlike the Barbara Gordon Batgirl, although she was created for the comics at the request of the '60s TV show's producers so that they could subsequently add her to the show.)

So Montoya was the first B:TAS character added to the comics, though she's not quite as famous as the second, Harley Quinn. Surprisingly, Gotham is not only Montoya's live-action debut, but it's her first screen appearance outside of the DC Animated Universe. (Both statements are excluding fan films.) Other characters created for the DCAU, including Harley and Superman's Mercy Graves, have made official screen appearances in several other continuities.

Then again, that does fit with GOTHAM's mission statement: to show us all these characters before they become legendary heroes and villains. I'm almost surprised that they aren't telegraphing Renee's future as well:

"Always with the questions, Montoya? You just can't let things go. You always have one more question . . . ."

Actually I noticed this week that a lot of Edward Nygma's dialogue was in the form of questions. I guess it'd be a bit redundant to do that with Montoya too.

 

[Greg Cox]

Ohmigod . . . Montoya is the Riddler!

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Ohmigod . . . Montoya is the Riddler!

That's ridiculous, they're obviously showing that Nygma becomes The Question.

 

[Christopher]

Well, there are people out there who think that Oswald Cobblepot is going to be the Joker.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Well, there are people out there who think that Oswald Cobblepot is going to be the Joker.

He does seem to have become a bit of a Joker surrogate though. If they hadn't actually called him Penguin I could see viewers assuming he was supposed to be the Joker.

 

[Greg Cox]

Well, there are people out there who think that Oswald Cobblepot is going to be the Joker.

He does seem to have become a bit of a Joker surrogate though. If they hadn't actually called him Penguin I could see viewers assuming he was supposed to be the Joker.

Don't be silly. Bruce is obviously going to grow up to be the Joker. And Selina is going to be Harley Quinn.

 

[sojourner]

And Alfred will be Batman, always cleaning up after those two kids!

 

[DWF]

"Always with the questions, Montoya? You just can't let things go. You always have one more question . . . ."

Maybe Montoya is related to Columbo.