good things about TATV

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

well I really think I've established that my favorite scene is the Trip/Riker scene.. Thats the scene where the use of Riker and the holodeck really works emotionally. When Trip starts talking about how much he trusts Archer, it seems very genuine and true to the character, and when he asks chef if he knows anyone like that, that he can trust, and there is a close-up of Riker, you know he's thinking of Picard.

There are many moments in this 'valentine' that didnt work, but that one moment made the entire episode worth it.

Star Trek has sooo many episodes, and each time they face a blank page for a new script that page becomes more and more difficult to fill. Consider the behind the scenes aspects of this final episode, the deadline the budget, the need to wrap it all up. In a way, nothing they came up with would have really been satisfactory... it's an impossible task from the get go, so I think what they did was reduce all of Star Trek down to character, down to one character's need to trust another. The episode's gimmick can be obvious or wrong, but its point was to come back to the humanity behind it. I think the final episode is not about the final frontier or the federation or the voyages, I think it's about that, during these voyages, the crew has really come to do more than work well together: they have come to trust each other. That might seem small in grand universe of Trek, but in forty minutes, I think its a good focal point, as good as any.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I rewatched the episode a couple days ago and found that I don't actually hate it quite as much as I thought I did. It's still completely inappropriate for an Enterprise finale but as it's own thing it's not quite so horrible. Certainly there are some great character moments in here. I don't find myself usually liking Archer or T'Pol this much.

Connor Trineer's performance is absolutely flawless. My favorite bit is at the end of his scene with Riker.
RIKER: "Do you have any advice?"
TRIP: "Nope."
It looks like so little on paper but that kind of casual charm is the reason why Trineer should be in bigger things now.

 

[Nebusj]

Krankor said:
I actually didn't think it was a bad episode. Well, it was. But it's not quite as bad as people say it is.

Well, yeah. I mean, if it were as bad as we all say it is, it would be 35 percent worse than the End-Permian Mass Extinction, when seven-tenths of all terrestrial vertebrate species and 24/25ths of all marine species became extinct, and life on Earth required thirty millions of years to recover from the blow.

In comparison, the shuttlecraft ride was a rather good scene.

 

[Jarok]

Emperor-Tiberius said:

Jarok said:
I decided a while ago that TATV isn't canon. It makes things sooo much easier.
I did the same thing with 2nd and third seasons of ENT.

So you only have Seasons 1 and 4 from ENT?

You still have the early appearences of the Ferengi and the Borg, you know...

My bad. I forgot those were in the 2nd season, I think the one where Archer stands trial on Qo'noS is 2nd season too. Any Star Trek episode with JG Hertzler is worth watching.

I guess it was just the Xindi arc and Archer getting beat up every week that turned me off. It was really sad that they finally became a 'real' Star Trek series after the decision to cancel them was made. While I'm not a fan of TATV and Stormfront, I'm sure we can agree that Season 4 was the best.

 

[Captain59]

Garth Rockett said:
I just started reading The Good That Men Do. I'm looking forward to finding out why it seems to get so many positive reviews.

You absolutely will love this book, especially if you are looking for a fix to TATV. I have a word of advice...pay very close attention to the dialogue, especially in the first few chapters.

ChristopherPike said:
To this day, as an ENT fan I find precious little comfort in If it was absolutely necessary to tie in with another show, it really needed to be the original. Seeing an aged Archer on his deathbed sometime in the 23rd Century, intercut with the NCC-1701 being christened. There you go... you can have a major character die without giving diehards the finger. Plus it bookends nicely with Archer as a kid in Broken Bow.

Sad I know. Nearly three years on and I still can't let this go...

Absolutely. I just assumed the last episode would be tied into The Original Series. It only makes sense. But B&B had their own TNG agenda. Manny tried to change things about it, but B&B would have nothing of it. I think it burns their behind that after three years, most of us still consider the montage--which was not their idea--to be the best part of the episode.

I also thought of this episode taking place at the launch of NCC-1701 and seeing Archer pass away. And then, going a step further, to show a young Archer with his dad again. How could we both think of this independently and it not even cross the minds of B&B?

Curses, is all I have to say. What could have been...