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Glaring flaw

Ya'll are some serious nerds. I love it.

By the way, with 20K in seed money, I'm pretty sure I could turn "Chirp! Chirp! Time to Whack Your Nipples." into a sturdy t-shirt business.

Also... fiction is a bit like Fruit-on-the-Bottom yogurt - if you don't mix it up yourself a bit, 90% of it is gonna be disappointing.
 
Okay lets say that you're right.

That surface area of the collector doesn't matter.

I merely said that technical efficiency allows us to do more by using less.
This can conceivably allow any sufficiently advanced species to create technology which can focus massive amounts of solar power (for example) on a relatively small surface area and generate massive power from it (if proper materials and methods of production are used)... and the more advanced you become, you can generate the same amount of power (or more) on LESS surface area... and so on and so on.

Unless I'm mistaken, concentrated solar power does this very thing (and currently on a relatively large scale).

That increased collection efficiency over a radically smaller area of collection will still yield usable amounts of power for a starship.

Please clarify what you mean by this... because you seem to be in agreement that solar would create enough power for powering the entire ship, whereas we are mainly talking about powering replicators only while in the vicinity of a star (and I doubt that they would be the single most power intense piece of tech onboard - warp engines would probably be most intensive along with phasers which also focus large amounts of power to a relatively small surface area).

The power of a hundred atomic bombs per second restrained to a zone of a few square meters?

Shaped charges work in a way to focus the explosion and minimize the fallout.
SF technology was frequently shown to be able to focus massive amounts of energy onto single spots and even contain explosions.
Prime example of focused energy: Phasers (they ARE called 'directed energy weapons' after all).
Photon and Quantum Torpedoes could be considered pretty much shaped charges - depending on how they're configured.

Even in TNG, Season 7 'Emergence', the ship needed specific particles to complete the evolution.
Here's an extract from what happened:
RIKER: The ship is using a modified tractor beam to collect vertion particles from the star.

Why couldn't the same process be used for collection of solar particles for powering the replicators?

We're talking of a space faring civilization that has 360 years of technological advancements over us and travels faster than light.
Focusing massive amounts of power onto relatively small surface areas for the purpose of power generation would likely not present a difficult problem - especially when you consider the premise that something as small as a warp core also powers a pretty sizeable ship as well as everything inside it, while travelling faster than light.

These people evidently have no issue with the premise of 'generating more by using less'.

And this isn't just some special area of the universe, no, it's every cubed inch of space equally, even that which we are both in our respective corners of the world are sitting on is exactly that same destructive confluence of solar power as well...

Why aren't we dead?

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking here.
The Earth itself scatters incoming Solar energy as well as reduces its intensity by about 20 times.

Besides... you wouldn't have to generate 0.5 Zettajoules every second (which is what hits the Earth surface every hour).
With about 10 Zettajoules readily being available through 1 hour of sunlight in empty space... a SF vessel would need to simply position itself, collect and convert the said energy for immediate use - it would be like using the hull to maximize how much solar radiation each hull plate can absorb (which would probably be by orders of magnitude greater than what we can do), then convert this energy directly and transfer it to the replicators and transporters for immediate use... or heck, use it in the EPS grid and shut down the warp core to reduce antimatter expenditure.

Alternatively... the ship can use modified tractor beams to absorb solar radiation and use this energy for replication.

In every scenario, the ship would have to have a minimal amount of power to do the job... and if that's not available, then use a shuttle to act as a relay which will send you solar power that will charge the necessary systems long enough for the crew to replicate whatever they need and affect whatever repairs and resupplying are needed.

Heck... the lousy state of the Equinox would have probably been capable of doing the same thing.
 
10 zettajoules per square inch of shield per day or 10 zettajoules (Reduced by %20 at the atmosphere.) per 255,000,000 km² of planet per day?

Forgive me but I'm suspecting that if a ray with a conical base of 255,000,000 km² exacting ten zettajouls per square inch did hit the planet, Earth wouldn't be there any more.

Doing less with more is a different argument.

Warp Power from a ten volt battery is not Federation technology.

They generate fantastic amounts of energy and use it.

Meanwhile now you are describing a massive catchment area away from the ship acting as a focussing lense, that then transmits usuable energy towards the shields for collection.

1. That's side stepping the point that a significantly larger catchment area for solar energy is needed than a ships shields, which is small, if you now have a significantly larger catchment are that is larger than the shields being used external of the ship.

2. You are describing a solar sail as seen in Star Trek IV.
 
Warp particles are the new bitch.

Sounds like a good name for the Voyager reboot series. Kate can be the Nimoy of the reboot. The title has a "OITNB" ring to it.

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The problem was that some of the limiting they gave themselves...didn't make a lot of sense.

I mean really, WHY can't they make more torpedoes? Those should be the easiest things to make out of stuff they need!

And energy was never a problem, because there's plenty of raw energy in space to be collected. The Replicators would handle the rest.

Did they really need to spoonfeed the audience everything?
 
Plasma doesn't seem so frightening; they put some of it in a Tupperware for Neelix to trade in a space station black-market alley with one of his erstwhile shady salvage-life acquaintances.
 
10 zettajoules per square inch of shield per day or 10 zettajoules (Reduced by %20 at the atmosphere.) per 255,000,000 km² of planet per day?

Forgive me but I'm suspecting that if a ray with a conical base of 255,000,000 km² exacting ten zettajouls per square inch did hit the planet, Earth wouldn't be there any more.

Doing less with more is a different argument.

Warp Power from a ten volt battery is not Federation technology.

They generate fantastic amounts of energy and use it.

Meanwhile now you are describing a massive catchment area away from the ship acting as a focussing lense, that then transmits usuable energy towards the shields for collection.

1. That's side stepping the point that a significantly larger catchment area for solar energy is needed than a ships shields, which is small, if you now have a significantly larger catchment are that is larger than the shields being used external of the ship.

2. You are describing a solar sail as seen in Star Trek IV.

Uh, are you really Guy???
 
There is one thing that makes no sense to me though, and really kind of misses the whole point of the series: I've already seen two shuttles destroyed in less than ten randomly selected episodes. Unless I'm missing an episode where they have some sort of factory or industrial replicator, I'm really at a loss here. Even if that's the case, the replicator is one of the things I've never liked in any story.
Regardless, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to be so cavalier with shuttle usage when you know that you can't get a resupply.

That's Voyager for ya!
 
Well, maybe Janeway had a little 'agreement' with Q, Q'd never get them straight home, because that was cheating, but to snap his fingers and put a couple of new shuttles in the shuttlebay, and top up the photons now and again.
She did help him out in the Q civil war, and babysit his kid.

Oh and Q would have been able to gain amusement from seeing how Voyager got out of that week's calamity. A bit like seeing how a rat in a cage will handle puzzles, the rat can only keep going as long as it gets fed.
 
Is it really so hard to believe they can make Shuttles?

Battlestar Pegasus could make Vipers.
 
Is it really so hard to believe they can make Shuttles?

Battlestar Pegasus could make Vipers.

It's not so much about the believability as it is being told that they have limited resources to begin with, only to later disregard/ignore that. The truth is that when you lay out all the ground rules of a show's format early in it's life, you've got to pay some dues to those rules later on, even if it's only to actually explain why it is you're contradicting yourself.
 
Is it really so hard to believe they can make Shuttles?

Battlestar Pegasus could make Vipers.

It's not so much about the believability as it is being told that they have limited resources to begin with, only to later disregard/ignore that. The truth is that when you lay out all the ground rules of a show's format early in it's life, you've got to pay some dues to those rules later on, even if it's only to actually explain why it is you're contradicting yourself.

Yeah, it is hard to buy the "limited resources with no help" premise when shuttles are crashed on a weekly basis. Just look up SF Debris for his "Burn, Baby, Burn" award in Voyager, or any other video about the number of shuttles Voyager crashed and/or destroyed.

I have no problem with them crafting new shuttles. Just give me a reason that they are able to do so one episode, and why they can't the next, besides plot conveniences.

Heck, even Battlestar acknowledged that they couldn't just kill off Vipers in the first part of the show, even though it added to the tension of the dogfights. Pegasus gave them a "get out of jail free" card on that one.
 
But like I said, there's no reason why Voyager's crew couldn't trade with friendly aliens they encountered. They couldn't *assume* right off the bat that they'd be able to do this, but it could certainly have happened anyway. If a helpful alien vessel gives them a transfusion of energy, for example, they'd have more with which to power their replicators and even holodecks. Once that's done, 90% of shuttle work is taken care of right there.
 
I think that you all must agree that "The Torpedo And Shuttle Building Team" is a good idea how to explain why Voyager never ran out of shuttles and torpedoes. :beer:

Not t mention that it also explain where certain characters ended up.
 
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