You did, when you said he was the best villain since Khan. That means you're comparing him to Khan. Frankly, I preferred Kruge over Nero. But hey, that's me. -- RR
Give Nero credit!
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You did, when you said he was the best villain since Khan. That means you're comparing him to Khan. Frankly, I preferred Kruge over Nero. But hey, that's me. -- RR
Nero didn't just destroy a planet -- he made a founding member of the Federation an endangered species. The Vulcans were transformed in one fell swoop into a tragic race. So, I'm not convinced by your argument.-- RR
long live nero LOL But is he dead he looked mean with them tatts and that one good pointy ear !!!!
Well I think he makes a good point. Captain Robau and Captain Pike had all the qualities, characteristics and style to carry the movie all by themselves if the writers didn't keep thinking to themselves "Movie audiences all want Kirk when he was a young, arrogant douchbag, because that's how everyone remembers him!".
As for Nero, I don't buy him as a villain. There was more potential in the Countdown comics for him to really be unique, but the movie didn't do anything with him except make him gloat and yell. If you take away the elements that were directly lifted from Wrath of Khan, i.e. the dead wife, having to live on a harsh planet for years before escaping to start his vengeance, the mind bugs, the possession of a world destroying weapon, he's practically nothing.
I was actually joking. Well, from a rational point of view, you're probably right, but I don't agree. Nero's intelligence or lack thereof (and his success) doesn't make the heroes dumb in my view. And Kirk's arrogance doesn't make him an idiot.
Thats like saying I compared him to fucking Sybok if I said Sybok was the worst and Khan was the best
It did bother me during the movie. When Spock told the movie storyline to Kirk in the cavern. Somehow I wished Nero would come up with its own, a bit more logical viewpoint. It would have work better if the Vulcan were actually doing some experiment or supposedly harmless sensor/probe reading on the sun (not the Romulan one), and then boom, the sun goes nova. Spock tried to help, but too late.
yea with a drill and a stupid "red matter" device he stole.
anybody could have done that if they had the kind of advantage Nero had.
Nero made no sense, really. He was completely obsessed with getting revenge for the future destruction of Romulus, and apparently didn’t make even the slightest effort to try to prevent it. At least, none that was hinted at on screen, unless I’m forgetting it. Shouldn’t the destruction of Hobus have taken priority over the destruction of Vulcan?
Dr. Soran was apparently too stupid to realize that instead of spending 80 years waiting for someone to develop a solar system destroying plot device to alter the path of the glowing space vagina of wish-fulfillment, all he had to do was hop on a shuttle, catch up to it, and jump in front of it in a space suit. No genocide or Klingons required.
Khan was a great tragic villain, not to mention well written and well acted. After him, i'd say Gul Dukat (pre-paw'wraith storyline) is next, especially since he was developed to be more complex, not just out and out bad guy, he had his good moments too. The borg queen, although an absurd concept (why would a collective need a queen) was downright creepy (and moist!). Weyoun after them, he was just amusing, and so insincere, and spineless (when it came to the founders), he was a joy to watch.
Nero, on the other hand was a weak villain, who had a 100 year advantage over the heroes, he was psychotic with grief so he was gonna do great damage. Again, i call him a weak villain not because his villany was weak (he destroyed vulcan, obviously). Still, i would not rate him second after Khan, he'd be after the above mentioned villains, most of them from ds9, a series that tended to develop secondary characters so their motivations made sense and such.
Nero, on the other hand was a weak villain, who had a 100 year advantage over the heroes, he was psychotic with grief so he was gonna do great damage. Again, i call him a weak villain not because his villany was weak (he destroyed vulcan, obviously). Still, i would not rate him second after Khan, he'd be after the above mentioned villains, most of them from ds9, a series that tended to develop secondary characters so their motivations made sense and such.
Interesting idea, but I highly doubt a common miner has heard of classified time traveling or else every tom, dick, and harry would be doing it on a constant basis.
From what I read in Countdown, Nero and Spock traveling back in time was an accident. They both expected to die at the Supernova's Black Hole.
Now that brings up another question, are the events of Countdown considered Canon? I know some people believe if it not on screen then it is not Canon.
Reason I ask that is because Nero acted like he went back in time on purpose in the movie. He asked Capt. Robau what the star date was. Would he have asked that if traveling back in time was an accident? Would he have instantly known he was traveling back in time while his ship was being sucked into the black hole?
Another thing i can't stand about nero is his irrationality. He could have just gone to the hobus star once he captured the jellyfish, black holed its ass and happily retired to romulus, giving them technology that would make them the PREMIER alpha quadrant power, and become his own grandpa in the process.
I liked Nero very much though they almost criminally neglected his background save for a bit of background retelling by Old Spock.
I read the Countdown comics and they greatly expanded his background there and gave him motivation and life.. the movie just showed us where he ended up.
What i really like about him is that he's a fucking miner! That guy is not genetically engineered to be a superhuman or a professional soldier. He was a guy who saw a catastrophe happening, tried to prevent it and trusted others to do it for him because he had such a low status.
When the high and mighty failed he simply lost his mind and became lost in his grief and anger. From what little we saw in Star Trek this only showed how tragic a figure he really was and about one of the few flaws of Trek not to have developed him better but then the main focus was on showcasing the Trek crew and not on the villain.
Additionally it had one of the best villain lines ever in Trek.. "Hi Christopher, i'm Nero"
I read the Countdown comics and they greatly expanded his background there and gave him motivation and life.. the movie just showed us where he ended up.
What i really like about him is that he's a fucking miner! That guy is not genetically engineered to be a superhuman or a professional soldier. He was a guy who saw a catastrophe happening, tried to prevent it and trusted others to do it for him because he had such a low status.
When the high and mighty failed he simply lost his mind and became lost in his grief and anger. From what little we saw in Star Trek this only showed how tragic a figure he really was and about one of the few flaws of Trek not to have developed him better but then the main focus was on showcasing the Trek crew and not on the villain.
Additionally it had one of the best villain lines ever in Trek.. "Hi Christopher, i'm Nero"
Sorry for this third post, but one other blatant annoyance i had with Nero was his name. Do Romulans just have a fetish for Ancient Rome?
I hope the next Romulans we encounter are Comicus, Josephus, and Swiftus.
would they be riding a chariot pulled by a horse named miracle?
I've not once watched an episode of Star Trek or gone into the movies hoping to be wowed by the villain.
Kirk. Picard. Sisko. Worf. Spock. These people are the draw. The villain is just the excuse to get them into the adventure and the action. I'm seeing WAY too much emphasis on what could essentially be (for lack of a better term, excuse me) a macguffin. Villain = bad. Good enough. On with the story.
I mean really. Khan was as dumb as they get, yet people praise him as being so interesting, intelligent, what have you. Charismatic, VERY. Perfectly cast. But he was just as dumb as the others, making equally if not more dumb decisions. (Tactical genius doesn't even understand "up" and "down"? Really?? What, they didn't have airplanes in the 90's for him to worry about when he took over Earth?)
Kirk. Picard. Sisko. Worf. Spock. These people are the draw. The villain is just the excuse to get them into the adventure and the action. I'm seeing WAY too much emphasis on what could essentially be (for lack of a better term, excuse me) a macguffin. Villain = bad. Good enough. On with the story.
I mean really. Khan was as dumb as they get, yet people praise him as being so interesting, intelligent, what have you. Charismatic, VERY. Perfectly cast. But he was just as dumb as the others, making equally if not more dumb decisions. (Tactical genius doesn't even understand "up" and "down"? Really?? What, they didn't have airplanes in the 90's for him to worry about when he took over Earth?)
