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Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D...

Should have been fired?


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Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

The starting salary for a first year teacher in my school district is $38,500, which jumps to $42,500 in the second year and increases thereafter with COLA's, tenure and additional education. I'd hardly call that "getting the shaft".

My father is close to retirement and still only gets around $38k a year. I was getting roughly that as a high school graduate by working as an intern for the USDA. As a mechanical engineer, I'd be starting out at roughly $60 - 80k per year. So yeah, teachers pretty much get the shaft.

Also remember that both my parents are teachers, so I have some firsthand knowledge. ;)
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Odd how people hold teachers to a higher standard than any other public servant or professional. Can you imagine a doctor being fired for this? A clerk at City Hall?

A doctor? No.

But a clerk, with the flag of their city behind them, yeah...I could see her getting fired as she'd be a public servant and as such are held to a higher [puritanical] standard.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Is there a problem with upholding a legal document or did that issue get lost? Are you saying liberals can't respect the law?
No, I'm saying conservatives have a hard-on for the idea of laissez-fair economics to the point that rational thought goes right out the window. To them, the contract is more important that how reasonable its actual stipulations are. That's why the idea of "at will" employment makes them blow a wad in their shorts. I don't know why human misery and economic hardship turns them on so much, but I've noticed a lot of fapping from them whenever something like this happens.

I'm sensing a lot of sexual tension.

Words mean things. Laws means things. A contract is a binding legal document. Believe me, I'd love to void the UAW contracts so we wouldn't have to bail out the automakers but they are a legal document. You either follow the laws or you have chaos. Wanting to see naked women has not bearing in that at all.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Odd how people hold teachers to a higher standard than any other public servant or professional. Can you imagine a doctor being fired for this? A clerk at City Hall?

A doctor? No.

But a clerk, with the flag of their city behind them, yeah...I could see her getting fired as she'd be a public servant and as such are held to a higher [puritanical] standard.

Yeah, I think it was fine to fire. A teacher/coach comes in contact with teenagers, obviously. If I was the principal of a school and I knew that one of my teachers/coaches posed for Playboy or did anything similar to that, I would fire her. What ever happened to professionalism, respect for one self?

In very few professions is there a difference between what you do on the job and what you do at home. Because you are the same person, your identity doesn't magically change depending on where you are. And I think and employer has a right to ask that their employees live their lives in a certain way, a way that doesn't lend itself to negative or immoral publicity from the likes of Playboy.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

The starting salary for a first year teacher in my school district is $38,500, which jumps to $42,500 in the second year and increases thereafter with COLA's, tenure and additional education. I'd hardly call that "getting the shaft".


I, on the other hand, didn't start drawing in that kind of salary until I was about 25 years into the profession. And we certainly don't have that much of a jump from year to year. Additional education is less than $1000 pay increase for the year. That doesn't even come to $100 a month. If you add up how much it costs you to GET that additional education, you'll realize that it takes years to recoup your expenditures.

Teacher salaries are very inconsistent from state to state, or even district to district.

But, we know all this going into the profession. We do it anyway.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

The starting salary for a first year teacher in my school district is $38,500, which jumps to $42,500 in the second year and increases thereafter with COLA's, tenure and additional education. I'd hardly call that "getting the shaft".

My father is close to retirement and still only gets around $38k a year. I was getting roughly that as a high school graduate by working as an intern for the USDA. As a mechanical engineer, I'd be starting out at roughly $60 - 80k per year. So yeah, teachers pretty much get the shaft.

Also remember that both my parents are teachers, so I have some firsthand knowledge. ;)

Teachers do get the shaft. While pay increases with education, tenure, and experience, most districts have a cap at about $70K...and that's after a full 25+ year career in teaching. If you're married, on a dual income, you can buy a house on that. Even $50K ain't shabby. But if you're single, like me, with student loans to pay off, you'll never be able to get beyond the renting stage. Especially during the first 20 years of your teaching career.

Teachers are paid for a 7am-3pm day. What most people don't realize is that a teacher's work day doesn't end at 3pm when the students leave. I work well into the evening 4-5 nights per week (Sunday evenings included), grading, calling parents, and preparing for the next day/week/unit. Our "paid vacation time" often includes reviewing new textbook and curriculum materials, attending professional development seminars, taking additional classes (all teachers in my district area are required to take 4 units per year if we want our $500/year pay raise), attending school orientations, and possibly teaching summer school. Any extra time you have after that is "paid vacation." Newer teachers like myself are usually required to do all of the above. My summer vacation this year, after summer school and orientation, will be about 2 weeks. Only a few days more than what most companies offer as paid vacation.

Most people also don't realize that teachers pay for most of their classroom materials out-of-pocket. My school gives a $30/month reimbursement, which basically covers whiteboard markers (one box will last about two weeks!) and grading pens. That means that the other stuff...things like pencil sharpeners, kleenex, special paper for projects, bulletin board borders/butcher paper, rewards for students, gradebooks/gradebook software, field trips, hiring buses for field trips, board cleaner, and room decorations come from my own paycheck. Fortunately it's tax-deductible. But still...that's an extra $100/month (at least!) that I don't have.

Now, I'm not crying because I'm not rich and never will be. If I have enough to make ends meet and enjoy the things that I want to enjoy in life -- an occasional vacation, a dog, a decent place to live, etc. -- then I'm happy. I'm not in it for the money. But to say that teachers get a fair salary compared to the other professions that require a 4+ year degree and continuous education for the rest of their careers is crazy. To say that teachers shouldn't complain because they get lots of "paid vacation time" is fucking obnoxious. We work hard...really hard. And just to tie it in to the OP, most of us still manage to do it while maintaining a code of conduct.

Oh yeah. That's the other shitty thing about working in education. Double standard or not, we keep our private lives private. It goes with the calling. In a perfect world, it would be ok to be a Playmate and a cheerleading coach, or an exotic dancer and an art teacher. It would even be ok to have public Facebook pages with pictures of people holding mysterious red party cups. But this ain't a perfect world...and until we (as teachers) have made it such, we keep working. Working for a better world on piss-poor pay. :)

The school was right to fire her. It sucks, but she should've known better.
 
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Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Is there a problem with upholding a legal document or did that issue get lost? Are you saying liberals can't respect the law?
No, I'm saying conservatives have a hard-on for the idea of laissez-fair economics to the point that rational thought goes right out the window. To them, the contract is more important that how reasonable its actual stipulations are. That's why the idea of "at will" employment makes them blow a wad in their shorts. I don't know why human misery and economic hardship turns them on so much, but I've noticed a lot of fapping from them whenever something like this happens.

I'm sensing a lot of sexual tension.

Words mean things. Laws means things. A contract is a binding legal document. Believe me, I'd love to void the UAW contracts so we wouldn't have to bail out the automakers but they are a legal document. You either follow the laws or you have chaos. Wanting to see naked women has not bearing in that at all.
You're missing the point that we live in a world still backward enough to even write such a thing into a contract. Depending upon the actual wording, she may still be able to sue and win.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

That's what I mean about conservatives having a hard-on for that kind of crap - it doesn't even matter to them if the stipulations in the contract make any sense, or if laws do for that matter, they just get off on the idea of the law being upheld, and apparently on the human hardship these laws might cause. A protester getting arrested or someone getting fired over something like this make them jizz in their pants.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Oh yeah. That's the other shitty thing about working in education. Double standard or not, we keep our private lives private. It goes with the calling. In a perfect world, it would be ok to be a Playmate and a cheerleading coach, or an exotic dancer and an art teacher. It would even be ok to have public Facebook pages with pictures of people holding mysterious red party cups. But this ain't a perfect world...and until we (as teachers) have made it such, we keep working. Working for a better world on piss-poor pay. :)

The school was right to fire her. It sucks, but she should've known better.

maybe if the school payed a bit more she wouldn't of possed for playboy because the few extra bucks could of come in hand for her.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

You're missing the point that we live in a world still backward enough to even write such a thing into a contract. Depending upon the actual wording, she may still be able to sue and win.

There is nothing backward about parents demanding certain things from the people their children are exposed to. In fact it's rightfully expected and included as we see in this case.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

You're missing the point that we live in a world still backward enough to even write such a thing into a contract. Depending upon the actual wording, she may still be able to sue and win.

There is nothing backward about parents demanding certain things from the people their children are exposed to. In fact it's rightfully expected and included as we see in this case.

I have to agree. Would I want my son or daughter being taught by a woman who posed for playboy, or a man who was a male stripper? No, because the influence of a teacher on students can be life changing, life influencing.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

You're missing the point that we live in a world still backward enough to even write such a thing into a contract. Depending upon the actual wording, she may still be able to sue and win.

There is nothing backward about parents demanding certain things from the people their children are exposed to. In fact it's rightfully expected and included as we see in this case.

I have to agree. Would I want my son or daughter being taught by a woman who posed for playboy, or a man who was a male stripper? No, because the influence of a teacher on students can be life changing, life influencing.

So you'd have a problem a teacher who was good with her classes and students consistely graded well yet she possed for playboy?

Or they could have a teacher who was absolutely shithouse has but never so much as seen a skin mag.

Something tells me the later would be far more damaging than the former.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

So you'd have a problem a teacher who was good with her classes and students consistely graded well yet she possed for playboy?

Or they could have a teacher who was absolutely shithouse has but never so much as seen a skin mag.

Something tells me the later would be far more damaging than the former.

We could play this mix and match game all day.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

There is nothing backward about parents demanding certain things from the people their children are exposed to. In fact it's rightfully expected and included as we see in this case.

I have to agree. Would I want my son or daughter being taught by a woman who posed for playboy, or a man who was a male stripper? No, because the influence of a teacher on students can be life changing, life influencing.

So you'd have a problem a teacher who was good with her classes and students consistely graded well yet she possed for playboy?

Or they could have a teacher who was absolutely shithouse has but never so much as seen a skin mag.

Something tells me the later would be far more damaging than the former.

Well that is isn't the actual choice. It doesn't matter how qualified a teacher is. You have to be responsible for your choices and when you choose poorly, you can't choose always choose the consequences.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Someone correct me if they know otherwise, but I don't believe there is a law stating a school or business can not only decide what is proper, but also control your personal off-the-clock life.

And there are people who will say Playboy can be done tastefully.
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

And there are people who will say Playboy can be done tastefully.

compared to some of the shots in magazines like hustler (which would make an obgyn feel right at home) Playboy is tasteful
 
Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Someone correct me if they know otherwise, but I don't believe there is a law stating a school or business can not only decide what is proper, but also control your personal off-the-clock life.

Unless she's tenured the school can fire her for any reason what-so-ever.
 
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