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get off my BRIDGE!!!

I always thought it was odd that Troi had to tell Picard things like "He's hiding something" or "he's lying" Does this mean Picard wouldn't have known otherwise? Kirk never had an empath telling him his enemies thoughts, he relied on his own instinct. What the hell would Picard do without Troi?? Maybe thats why the Stargazer got destroyed, he didn't have Troi there to tell him "He's hiding something" or "He's attacking us, sir"
 
Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but wasn't Enterprise supposed to be a diplomatic vessel?

What better place for an empath to be than on the bridge of a diplomatic vessel?
 
Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but wasn't Enterprise supposed to be a diplomatic vessel?

What better place for an empath to be than on the bridge of a diplomatic vessel?

Then that would have been the case for all Starships wouldn't it? And she wasn't really that good at it because of her being half/human.

Spock, her TOS counterpart in someway, had a reason to be on the bridge; she didn't.

Rob
 
Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but wasn't Enterprise supposed to be a diplomatic vessel?

What better place for an empath to be than on the bridge of a diplomatic vessel?

But she never offered anything of value. She either stated the obvious or, when actually needed, was completely useless.
 
My favorite is probably from TUC when Bones storms onto the bridge: "Are we firing torpedoes?!"

That didn't occur to me until I read your post. The rest of that goes something like Kirk's response being "I wish I knew!" and Bones going "Well it sure looks like it." Like... wtf lol. He has no information on the situation at hand yet has equally no reservation making a judgment call on it. It's hilarious (in a good way). It makes you wonder if firing a torpedo like... rocks the entire ship or something.


-Withers-​
 
Actually, Troi crashed the ship twice, only the second time was by command.

I agree Troi was good in stressful conditions, Picard like to get her advice on crew stress and the emotions of enemies, but she didn't need to be there all the time. I think she got bored and just decided to hang out on the bridge. For that matter Doctor Crusher shouldn't be there either. Eventually they both got their training as bridge officers and so I'm sure they needed some time to keep up their skills, but that wasn't until like the last season.

The thing that really bugged me about trek was that the senior bridge staff was always going onto the away missions. I realise that the production staff couldn't really have a seperate group for away teams, but it doesn't seem like the Executive officer, cheif engineer and cheif of operations would really beam into every hazardus situation they could find.
 
TNG should have never had a damn counselor as a distinct shipboard position. That was typical loser waffling New Age psychobabble. :rolleyes: Whose idea was that, anyway? Gene's?

If a captain must have a 'counselor,' they should just pick whoever of their senior officers they *want* to fill the role. Could be the CMO, the XO, the helmsman, the security chief, or whoever the captain feels the most comfortable confiding in.

I think the point of having a Counseler was because the ship was full of civilians and Starfleet personnel that are not necessarily qualified for deep space missions.
 
I think the point of having a Counseler was because the ship was full of civilians and Starfleet personnel that are not necessarily qualified for deep space missions.

Which sort of begs the question of whether or not that was a good decision to make or not (hauling out the families with the crew as they sailed into potentially dangerous unknown space.) The only time I ever saw her "power" perform a directly useful function was in Nemesis. If they'd shown her doing that earlier on I'd be more inclined to accept her present without the incredulity.


-Withers-​
 
the telepathy is kinda unrelated to the counselor position, though - presumably, given the majority-human composition of the Fleet, most counselors are humans and, thus, not telepathic or empathic.

IMHO, a counselor shouldn't be on the bridge.(They do make excellent sense to have aboard ship, though.) However, if the counselor's a telepath, then maybe - but in terms of a TV script, they'd have to write said telepath a horde better than they wrote Troi.
 
the telepathy is kinda unrelated to the counselor position, though - presumably, given the majority-human composition of the Fleet, most counselors are humans and, thus, not telepathic or empathic.
Actually, I think it might even be counter-productive. Part of the therapy experience is "getting there." If the shrink has all the answers, it'll make for a short trip.
 
I've seen one episode where they were on the bridge and Picard is talking to someone on another ship.

Troi notices something and repeatedly made direct gestures to Worf to mute the audio, which Worf obeyed, while she advised Picard.

It showed how Troi had some kind authority on the bridge when it came to matters like dealing with aliens or certain people.
 
TNG should have never had a damn counselor as a distinct shipboard position. That was typical loser waffling New Age psychobabble. :rolleyes: Whose idea was that, anyway? Gene's?

If a captain must have a 'counselor,' they should just pick whoever of their senior officers they *want* to fill the role. Could be the CMO, the XO, the helmsman, the security chief, or whoever the captain feels the most comfortable confiding in.

I think the point of having a Counseler was because the ship was full of civilians and Starfleet personnel that are not necessarily qualified for deep space missions.

Every Starfleet officer and crewmember was qualified, I'm sure of that. As for the civilians - if they need a counselor, I suppose that's fine, but then what's she doing on the BRIDGE? She shouldn't be there to counsel the captain; that's what the XO and all of the other bridge officers are for. Let *them* counsel the captain, while having the actual ship's counselor just sitting in her office talking to patients.
 
The idea of a psychiatrist giving advice to the captain isn't without precedent in Trek though. The second pilot had Dr. Dehner called to the bridge for a consult on the goings-on, and McCoy would then play that role fairly often. It's not just that Troi's "counseling" the captain, it's the fact that she also has a degree and is presenting another point of view.

As for the third chair on other Galaxy class bridges, I imagine it was usually the second officer since a ship that size honestly needed a dedicated 2nd officer that wasn't tied down to a station (Data was an exceptional exception).

And as for the comments about people like Nog, Garak or Odo being on the bridge, if a captain needs their opinion on something, he'll have them wherever he wants them. It always a little odd seeing someone like Odo at a bridge station on the Defiant, but again Sisko may have wanted someone he knows how they'll react in certain positions. And it makes for good TV.

The only thing that ever really bothered me was the security chief being on the bridge, esp. being tied to the Tactical station. Two completely different job classes that I'd make certain to split if I ever made a Trek story of some sort.
 
Well, in the case of DS9, yes, it would have made sense to split off Tactical and Station Security into two separate entities, given the nature of the setting, what with constant civilian traffic, legal problems, etc. that aren't necessarily a Starfleet or Federation problem, but nonetheless affect the residents of the facility.

I would think on a starship, though, that the two positions would be necessarily conflated, given that, with the exception of the Galaxy class Enterprise (which was as much a social experiment as a technological one), the vast majority of residents are going to be enlisted peoples for whom Starfleet security would be more than adequate to handle both shipboard issues and external threat assessment matters.

If anything, while we've been discussing people who didn't have business on the bridge, does anyone think that there were positions that SHOULD have been on the bridge that weren't? Or at least, like Engineering, have a ready place when necessary, even if the main officer in charge was usually somewhere else?

To me, it was always bothersome that there wasn't a dedicated Science officer in later series. Granted, in TNG, Data was the defacto science officer as well as Ops and Second Officer. As has been pointed out in the expanded universe novels, though, this was a unique scenario, given Data's abilities and not something that most starships could have gotten away with. Why is it, then, that it seemed like, after TOS, positions like the dedicated Science officer seemed to disappear?

Another that I would have thought would be there would be some kind of diplomatic officer. Not necessarily on every starship, but certainly those which, like the Enterprise, were expected to be in a lot of First Contact scenarios or be key vessels when dealing for foreign powers, etc. Granted, Picard could wear that hat when necessary, but wouldn't it have made more sense to spread the responsibility around a little more?

The more I think about it, the more I realize that the command structure on the Enterprise D was sort of precarious... The majority of mission critical duties were concentrated in the hands of way too few people, even among the main cast. Or am I just looking at this the wrong way?
 
If I were Picard, I think this would be the point where I'd throw Troi off the bridge....

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Ok, seriously, what is going on there? :wtf:
 
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WORF: "Captain, I am unable to fire weapons sir."
PICARD: "What's wrong Data?"
DATA: "Lt Worf's trigger finger appears to be lodged in Counselor Troi's posterior maximus muscle group."
PICARD: "Merde."
 
Wes was driving the ship because some alien told Picard Wes was like Mozart.

I disagree with that. I always figured Picard was favorable to Wesley because of the history he had with his mother and father.
 
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