get off my BRIDGE!!!

[Timewalker]

I said I TEND to skip over your posts. That means I don't read MOST of them.

And there is no "otherwise" when it comes to the annoyance factor. That IS 100% in my case.

 

[Withers]

I said I TEND to skip over your posts. That means I don't read MOST of them.

And there is no "otherwise" when it comes to the annoyance factor. That IS 100% in my case.

Now I have two If you're seriously annoyed by something so trivial I'd ask you to come chime in on some of the Voyager threads. It might thicken your tolerance from a soup to a stew.


-Withers-​

 

[Timewalker]

I do post a fair bit in the Voyager forum, considering that's my favorite of the post-TOS series. But your habit of centering your posts would be annoying there, too.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm still not sure why Sisko took the Defiant into battle several times with Ezri manning one of the stations on the bridge. You'd think she'd be more useful back on DS9 talking to shell-shocked personnel.

The Defiant's always been kinda weird like that. Jadzia, being the science officer of the station, is naturally its pilot and backup Captain (when Worf is unavailable, anyway). The real reason is that they just want to put their mains on the ship.

And look at what's happened to Ezri in the novels:

Spoiler: Ezri

She is a Captain and has her own ship! The USS Aventine.

 

[Admiral Shran]

What were the writers thinking when they were creating Wesley Crusher?

I think the whole idea was that Wesley would represent us as the audience. The concept was that the viewers would wish they could be there, really be on the Enterprise, and would identify with a character like Wesley, who also really wanted to "be in the thick of things." Of course, that's a good idea on paper, but the execution of it was terrible.

His character would of been likable if he were just an average teenager.

Agreed. Jake Sisko shows this. He's just a normal teenager who grows up to be a normal guy. He's a writer, not a wunderkind. As a result, at least for me, he's a more likable character.

His rank aboard the Enterprise is a slap in the face to all of the Ensign aboard ship from 1988-1990.

I'd say it's a slap in the face to ANY officers serving on or seeking a transfer to the Enterprise.

There really wasn't need for a counselor to be on the bridge or in fact a senior officer.

Agreed.

Did Nog get any training prior to his position on the Defiant?

He went to the Academy for about two years prior to serving on the Defiant as part of his field training. He was only made an actual officer since he was out in the war zone and Starfleet needed as many serving line officers as it could get.

 

[maneth]

Troi definitely. I can see her being on the bridge when they're arriving at a new planet and need to start diplomatic negotiations, for her empathy rating if nothing else. However, she's not needed there as a counselor, a simple ensign would do as well if he or she were empathic or telepathic. But Troi really spends an inordinate amount of time on the bridge given that she's really needed as counselor most of the time.

However, I'd say Wesley's presence on the bridge was a slap in the face for Starfleet officers in general, although in his defense it has to be said that he was a poorly-written character (even Wil Wheaton's been quoted as saying that he'd like to kick Wesley's ass!).

The Defiant is a special case, seems to me the bridge often held officers who in a normal situation never would have been there...

I know it didn't happen often, but sometimes even Dr Crusher was on the bridge, and I always wondered why...

 

[Xatso]

You are forgetting that when you have to write for a show (and Star trek is just entertainment unfortunately), you are really caught between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand you have 'the rules', the continuity, and then trying to make everything make logic sense somehow.

On the other hand you need to look at entertainment value, introducing new characters and conflict, and try not to bend the rules too much trying and keep things interesting for the GENERAL audience.

I know--in some cases it is just doggone bad writing, but in some cases I understand why they needed to break the rules. I digress--I also want to see Trek as it was supposed to be, without the bridge being turned into some cheap soap-opera (or engineering into a goddamn circus at times)--but I guess that our priorities, and the creator(s) of the shows priorities will always conflict somehow.

 

[The Borg Queen]

Meh, it's weird at first but you get used to it.

At least you always know who the poster is without needing to remember Usernames.​

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Nog on the Defiant's bridge - Again, I can buy his presence by the fact that Sisko chose him to be there. However, it would have been better if they waited until he was made an actual ensign. The idea of a cadet having that important of a role is a little hard to accept.

...

Wesley Crusher - Why was this kid given such an important role on the freaking flagship of the Federation? As stated above, it would have been better if he was assigned to the Engineering Department. That is, supposedly, where his strengths were supposed to be. The Traveler said he was "a Mozart of Engineering." So, why was he flying the ship?

Why is Nog acceptable, but not Wesley? Aside from one being a more likable character, they seem to be in analogous situations. Both are inexperienced starfleet officers put into somewhat important positions because the Captain chose for them to be there.

 

[Piper]

McCoy and Crusher on the Bridge. Shouldn't they be in Sickbay?

 

[RobertScorpio]

McCoy and Crusher on the Bridge. Shouldn't they be in Sickbay?

hmmmm...yeah. Good point. Kirk did let McCoy leave his post far too often. I mean, was McCoy a doctor? or an extra security officer?

Rob

 

[T.D. Possum]

Why is Nog acceptable, but not Wesley? Aside from one being a more likable character, they seem to be in analogous situations. Both are inexperienced starfleet officers put into somewhat important positions because the Captain chose for them to be there.

I agree that Nog's status (while unrealistic in some ways) was far more convincing than Wesley's. My reasons:
1. Nog was a young adult. Wes was a teenager.
2. Nog had at least some formal training at the Academy. Wes had . . . whatever he had.
3. Nog was serving in war time, in a hotly contested area, and Starfleet was experiencing a personnel shortage. Wes was driving the ship because some alien told Picard Wes was like Mozart.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

McCoy and Crusher on the Bridge. Shouldn't they be in Sickbay?

hmmmm...yeah. Good point. Kirk did let McCoy leave his post far too often. I mean, was McCoy a doctor? or an extra security officer?

Rob

Well there are legitimate times when the CMO might need to make a report to the Captain and not clutter up the comm lines with it (they may need to talk in private).

 

[RoJoHen]

My favorite is probably from TUC when Bones storms onto the bridge: "Are we firing torpedoes?!"

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Kirk probably figures that since Bones is such a good friend and a valuable counselor AND doctor, that he should pretty much have free run of the ship.

As for Picard: Hell yeah I'd let Beverly onto the bridge whenever she wants!

 

[C.E. Evans]

Personally, I've always been of the opinion that a captain can allow anyone he wants on his bridge. It's his ship, so his rules apply. Other captains may not have Troi or Wesley within one deck of the bridge, but Picard wanted them on his. I said in another thread about Troi in the TNG Forum that perhaps on other Galaxy-class ships, ship's counselor isn't a bridge position and there may only be two chairs in that command well, rather than three.

And as chief medical officer, McCoy was indeed Kirk's counselor, even if the position didn't really come about until a century later. McCoy sometimes came to the bridge when he was concerned about questionable command decisions Kirk (and sometimes Spock) were making. He did the same thing when Commodore Matt Decker was briefly in command of the Enterprise, but I think Decker told him to take his butt back to sickbay, IIRC...

 

[kes7]

I can't believe I'm gong to be the first to say "Wesley Crusher."

You can't believe it? You're only the second person to reply to the thread!

Which is one person more than I thought would reply before someone said it ...

 

[Admiral Shran]

Why is Nog acceptable, but not Wesley? Aside from one being a more likable character, they seem to be in analogous situations. Both are inexperienced starfleet officers put into somewhat important positions because the Captain chose for them to be there.

I agree that Nog's status (while unrealistic in some ways) was far more convincing than Wesley's. My reasons:
1. Nog was a young adult. Wes was a teenager.
2. Nog had at least some formal training at the Academy. Wes had . . . whatever he had.
3. Nog was serving in war time, in a hotly contested area, and Starfleet was experiencing a personnel shortage. Wes was driving the ship because some alien told Picard Wes was like Mozart.

This.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You are forgetting that when you have to write for a show (and Star trek is just entertainment unfortunately), you are really caught between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand you have 'the rules', the continuity, and then trying to make everything make logic sense somehow.

On the other hand you need to look at entertainment value, introducing new characters and conflict, and try not to bend the rules too much trying and keep things interesting for the GENERAL audience.

I know--in some cases it is just doggone bad writing, but in some cases I understand why they needed to break the rules. I digress--I also want to see Trek as it was supposed to be, without the bridge being turned into some cheap soap-opera (or engineering into a goddamn circus at times)--but I guess that our priorities, and the creator(s) of the shows priorities will always conflict somehow.

Star Trek as its supposed to be according to who? While "the Cage" and what followed were not exactly soap opera they did have elements of romance and relationships both on and off the bridge. Pike's Yeoman and XO had feelings for him. Gary was probably banging Yeoman Smith. Scotty was known to go goo goo eyes over a lady or two. Lets not even get started on Kirk.

Turning Star Trek in to something that's not entertainment has never been an option.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

TNG should have never had a damn counselor as a distinct shipboard position. That was typical loser waffling New Age psychobabble. Whose idea was that, anyway? Gene's?

If a captain must have a 'counselor,' they should just pick whoever of their senior officers they *want* to fill the role. Could be the CMO, the XO, the helmsman, the security chief, or whoever the captain feels the most comfortable confiding in.