Exactly. If each show can have a different demo, and still pull in let's say, 40% of the diehard Trekkies, it has a pretty good shot at being successful. Personally I will tune in to the premieres of each, and will stick around if I enjoy them. I would bet 99% of Trekkies will also watch the premiere.
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Exactly. If each show can have a different demo, and still pull in let's say, 40% of the diehard Trekkies, it has a pretty good shot at being successful. Personally I will tune in to the premieres of each, and will stick around if I enjoy them. I would bet 99% of Trekkies will also watch the premiere.
You act as if Georgiou will be the only character in the series. Hint: it's not a one-woman show.
That's what Starfleet Intelligence is for.
They can have their own covert-ops division without it being a band of power-hungry terrorists like Section 31. And at least then you'd know that they'd be accountable to the Federation government.
S31 just does whatever the hell it feels like. I can only hope that this show actually depicts how dangerous a concept that is - otherwise, depiction becomes advocacy, and you really don't want to go down that road.
IO9 has more details. Most notably the showrunners are Bo Yeon Kim and Erika Lippoldt. On one hand, I'm excited because they wrote one of the best episodes in Season 1. On the other hand, they wrote the Saru short, which did not impress me.
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I mean in a TV show rather than a Film Reboot, I would be open to it myself as I thought the Kelvinverse films were great, even Into Darkness which tends to divide the fanbase a fair bit, I consider Admiral Marcus actions and creation of the Vengeance to be an understandable reaction to the loss of Vulcan.
We have already seen the Enterprise so that particular trademarked hurdle was overcome without too much trouble and we will be seeing Spock soon so its not much of a jump to recast the whole thing, it would also be cost efficient as a lot of the sets could be reused across the various shows.
We could even see the actual handover of the Enterprise between Pike and Kirk which has never been shown up to now.
With CBS grabbing at every idea they can its only a matter of time before they realise there is one right in front of them and if they do it right it will be the making of their streaming service.
With the shelving of the 4th film Paramount could be more open to the idea than they were before.
No, I "act" like this will be a show about Section 31. Which is exactly what it will be.
The goal of CBS is to ensure that viewers in general - and Trekkies in particular - don't just cancel and re-up their subscriptions when their shows of choice are finished airing. If at least one of the shows per year is just of zero interest to a large proportion of Trek fans, it will be unsuccessful with that.
I completely disagree, she was one of the best actors in Season 1.
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In the real world there are always layers and plausible deniability, a nice shiny accountable FBI and MI5 in the public eye fighting the good fight and all that, then we have the CIA/NSA and MI6 who fight in the shadows and take the fight to the enemy.
In the cold war the CIA were even building their own aircraft like the Lockheed A12 and U2.
It would actually be easier for S31 to operate due to the Federations cashless society, no need to worry about paper trails or anyone following the money and with no oversight plausible deniability is guaranteed at all times.
I am not surprised that they would recruit Georgiou, they know exactly who she is and where she came from, towards the start of season 1 of Discovery I expected Lorca to end up being a member, at least until we started getting hints that he wasn't from the PU.
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I know what you mean but I personally think that's the fault of the scripts than anything else, the development of Discovery was troubled to put it mildly with a lot of changes behind the scenes especially with the plotlines.
My hope would be that this is a good cop-bad cop show, with Yeoh as the bad cop and the Sectiom 31 agent pulling against her worst tendencies. That would subvert expectations and let them rehab Section 31 into something more nuanced (and interesting) than Starfleet’s black hats.
ALL of the organizations you mentioned are legitimate.
True, there's a difference between domestic intelligence (FBI, MI5) and foreign intelligence (CIA, MI6) but all of those groups are still accountable to the people they serve. Their existence is public knowledge. They have to justify their existence and budgets. They have rules to follow. They report to their superiors in the government - there's a clearly defined chain of command. NONE of these things apply to Section 31.
Like I said, Section 31 literally does whatever it wants. Hell, they had a spy in the Federation President's cabinet! They claim to protect Federation interests, but it's nothing of the kind. All they care about is their own power.
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Let me rephrase since you aren't grasping my meaning:
You "act" as if the show will only have characters with one point of view.
Section 31 show, decent idea but very uninspired and not very Trek-esque.
Section 31 show lead by that idiot Georgiou...? Hahah.
Mirror Georgiou is a damn cartoon character. Almost a satirical spoof of a character. She's like one of the cheesiest comicbook-like villains you could find. This character has no business being a series lead.
Methinks they wanted Yeoh so desperately that they are shoehorning this character into a series lead position and building the show around it, at the expense of Section 31.
You can't have a 'character' who enjoyed bragging about murdering masses of people and eating Kelpians suddenly develop a moral conscience as your series lead. It's ridicurous.
Alex Kurtzman is going to screw this up like the Mummy and Amazing Spider-man 'universes'
To be fair, we really still don't know much about S31, how it operates, or what it's real goals are. They've only been slightly touched upon. Keep in mind anything we learned in STID does not necessarily apply to the prime universe.
Well given your opinion, I invite you to not watch, and better yet, not discuss. Thank you, have a nice day.
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Everything you just claimed above about S31 has at one time or another been attributed to the various spy agencies who spy on each other as well as their own people, nobody trusts anyone in the spy game especially not their own populations, its one of the reasons 9/11 occurred, if the various agencies had actually talked to each other and shared intel it could have been stopped.
Real people can be power hungry and operate outside of the law with the best of intentions (or not), not just those we see on the TV screen or at the cinema, its not about the black and white its all about the shades of grey in between.
Even today there are black budgets/operations and many things we aren't told about just like during the cold war, this isn't paranoia on my part its just common sense.
To the people comparing this to DS9 and Voyager airing at the same time, this is 2019 not 1995. Ratings and the measure of success for television series are completely different now. On network TV live ratings are the most important barometer to the success of a show. But with the advent of shows on cable and now streaming, the metrics are all completely different. You don’t need 10 million viewers or even 3 million viewers to be successful. You just need a certain amount of subscribers. Look at early 2000s HBO when they started getting into the television series market. The ratings of their shows were pretty low because it was on cable but the shows were successful and left to their own creative devices because of subscriber money. Look at Discovery which currently gets streamed in close to 200 countries around the world at around the same time. That’s something no other Star Trek even dreamt of.
Oh, don't mistake my meaning, I never intended to claim that the FBI or CIA (or whatever other real-world organizations you'd care to name) are perfect. They can make mistakes, they can engage in petty bureaucracy, they can do things that are not entirely 100% legal. There's always the risk of that.
The point is, those organizations are supposed to exist. They are specifically authorized by the government. The public knows about them. They have rules that (most of the time) they follow. Those who are investigated and targeted have rights that must be respected. If members of those organizations break the law, they can be brought to justice. This doesn't always happen, of course, but the important thing is, it CAN.
Look, I hate to keep going back to this, but Section 31 just does whatever it feels like. Don't you see how dangerous that is? They have NO rules. None. Not a single one. They literally do whatever they want.
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