News Georgiou Section 31 Series officially announced:

[Michael]

Oh God, they are going there. I don‘t think I was ever less interested in the announcement of a Star Trek show. Having a megalomaniac mass murderer as a one-off character in a mini-arc is one thing. But basing an entire show around such a character? No, thank you.

 

[XCV330]

I am worried about overkill.. too much trek diluting interest. But mostly I think they're just trying to keep something on at all times to keep CBS AA going

 

[eschaton]

I am worried about overkill.. too much trek diluting interest. But mostly I think they're just trying to keep something on at all times to keep CBS AA going

They're going around it in a really weird way though, considering that this show, Lower Decks, Starfleet Academy, and the kids show all appeal to only a fraction of regular Trekkies, with many people saying they're totally uninterested in one or another.

 

[Midquest]

I'm excited. Georgiou is a fan favorite among every Disco watcher I know who wasn't previously a Trek fan, and what better way to diversify the brand than a very different kind of show, one centered on spycraft and espionage? This is potentially a good way to bring in new viewers.

Let's also bear in mind that we're likely to see a somewhat different Georgiou by the time Disco completes Season 2, and probably one who's more sympathetic than she is now.

This is also a good time to keep in mind that the very best characters in the Prime timeline have been horrifying villains in the Mirror Universe. Georgiou is a character who has never known anything but fear, war, death, and survival; in the best tradition of Trek, let's see what the Prime universe can do for her.

 

[Tuvix5675]

I am worried about overkill.. too much trek diluting interest. But mostly I think they're just trying to keep something on at all times to keep CBS AA going

Well I guess Star Trek 4 going under is a good thing then. But if too much Trek killed the franchise before and too much Trek was just two series going on concurrently (DS9 and VOYAGER) plus the TNG films, what CBS is doing is nuts! We have three official series so far (Discovery, Picard series, Empress Georgiou series), plus if the movie rights revert to CBS we might be getting more Trek films although I wonder what crew they would be based on (The Kelvin-verse, Prime TOS crews are off the table, TNG,VOY, and DS9 crews seem too old, even some members of the ENT crew seem too old.).

 

[BurnhamAll]

I've been asking for a Section 31 show since the 90s. Love the idea, and cautiously optimistic, as they say. Hopefully it's more than just the "Mirror Georgiou Show."

 

[NeoStar9]

I'm glad this was finally announced. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do in the show and how Section 31 is going to be presented. I've never had any issue with the the idea. I don't have an issue with using it as the basis of a show. It all depends on the narrative they wish to go with and how the deeds of Section 31 are covered and what type of people are apart of it.

I don't think Georgiou is going to be the "hero" of the show. The interview about the show makes me think. I expect there is going to be a foil for her that works along side her or even under her that really does believe in doing what is necessary for the greater good while she is likely using Section 31. A look at the greater good is one way they could easily write this and see if one can stick to that or how does that change someone into something better or worse.

We already know Georgiou isn't unfeeling. Her interaction with Michael at the end of season 1 of Discovery shows that regardless of her prior actions. She's not 1 dimensional. She can develop feelings for others and it would be interesting to see if that creates conflict in her.

It would be interesting to see Section 31 interact with groups like the Tal Shiar for example. Or having proxy battles against them.

 

[BurnhamAll]

Well I guess Star Trek 4 going under is a good thing then. But if too much Trek killed the franchise before and too much Trek was just two series going on concurrently (DS9 and VOYAGER) plus the TNG films, what CBS is doing is nuts! We have three official series so far (Discovery, Picard series, Empress Georgiou series), plus if the movie rights revert to CBS we might be getting more Trek films although I wonder what crew they would be based on (The Kelvin-verse, Prime TOS crews are off the table, TNG,VOY, and DS9 crews seem too old, even some members of the ENT crew seem too old.).

The key here is to keep the shows differentiated from one another.

But also, if we assume each show produces 10-13 episodes per season, and not all of these will run multiple seasons, and one or two may even have a year between seasons, we might see what, 25-30 episodes of live action Trek a year? That's really not that much, and only slightly more than half of what 90s Trek delivered to our living rooms every year at its peak.

 

[Starfury]

Kewl?

Nope

 

[eschaton]

The key here is to keep the shows differentiated from one another.

But also, if we assume each show produces 10-13 episodes per season, and not all of these will run multiple seasons, and one or two may even have a year between seasons, we might see what, 25-30 episodes of live action Trek a year? That's really not that much, and only slightly more than half of what 90s Trek delivered to our living rooms every year at its peak.

Of course, each of those series is going to have its own sets, which means that (even adjusting for inflation) modern Trek will be much more expensive to produce per episode.

 

[Gonzo]

Clearly CBS are going toward having at least one and possibly two Star Trek shows on at all times of the year but they need to be careful that they don't reach saturation point with so much Star Trek, its bound to affect the writing as well with so many scripts needed and the plotlines may end up suffering for it.

Also they need to make sure they aren't scraping the barrel when it comes to ideas, they seem to be grabbing at anything they can at the moment to try and make something out of it.

I can understand a show set around S31 is appealing as it has never really been covered and it makes sense that Starfleet would have their own clandestine organisation to fight the Tal'Shiar and Obsidian Order in the shadows, I do also appreciate that some will not be happy about it as it will truly make S31 a legitimate part of the Star Trek universe.

I am all for having a couple of shows per year as long as they are strong enough to stand on their own, I hope CBS knows what its doing because Netflix isn't going to be so generous with funding a second time around.

The biggest danger is that CBS may actually start to think they can attempt the unthinkable, doing a reboot of ToS (I wouldn't have an issue with it but I know some will), at this rate they will have covered everything else and with the 4th Film no longer moving forward we could eventually see a recast Kirk on the TV to go along with the recast Spock.

Discovery could easily lead into a recast ToS show unless they stick with following the Enterprise before Kirk takes over, if that happens we are talking reboot territory.

Its a slippery slope.

 

[Hey Missy]

Part of what made S31 on DS9 so interesting was the fact it might not have even been real. Sloan might have been their only operative. Pretty creepy.
But then Into Darkness comes along and basically turns them into Bond's SPECTRE, giving them an EEEEVIL headquarters on Earth, the ability to construct two-mile long warships, and are pretty much treated as "the" intelligence service for the Federation, as long as they look the other way. Not to mention the black badges, because a super secret organization needs an identification, right?

 

[Tuskin38]

and are pretty much treated as "the" intelligence service for the Federation, as long as they look the other way.

Into Darkness doesn't treat them like that at all.

 

[BurnhamAll]

Of course, each of those series is going to have its own sets, which means that (even adjusting for inflation) modern Trek will be much more expensive to produce per episode.

Uh. Ok?

 

[cultcross]

The biggest danger is that CBS may actually start to think they can attempt the unthinkable, doing a reboot of ToS

Already been done and worked very well. I'd much rather that than any of the spin off ideas other than Picard Show, myself.

 

[BurnhamAll]

People need to calm down about over saturation. We've been talking about it since the day that rumors of a spinoff began. CBS is well aware of the balancing act, and must feel like they've figured out how to avoid "franchise fatigue" otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

It's a legitimate concern, but at this point the constant talk of it is just beating a dead horse. They're doing these shows, there's nothing to speculate on now other than the content of those shows.

I think the thing we need to be discussing is HOW they'll keep the franchise fresh with 3 live action shows and 2 animated series.

I think that they're doing a Section 31 show is a pretty good indicator of how they'll do it: by having each series approach Trek from a very different angle.

 

[Hey Missy]

Into Darkness doesn't treat them like that at all.

They still had to be dumbed down, because the brilliant sci-fi concept of information being implanted into your brain is harder to grasp than just having an underground library.

 

[PixelMagic]

I don't like Section 31 in the first place, but hey are doubling down on awful with Yeoh. I'm sure in real life Michelle Yeoh is a lovely person, but her acting in Discovery has the charisma of a plank of wood. She can't carry a show. If they MUST do a Section 31 show, they need to start from scratch.

 

[guyute03]

I'm cool with it, but like I've said before there needs to be an "O'Brien" character to push back against this idea that Section 31 is an okay thing. It is not.

In the end of DS9 Bashir triumphed over this 007 idea of justice because of his friend O'Brien, who was right, you can't justify this stuff and out of the other side of your mouth call for peace & love among all races in the galaxy.

DOES NOT WORK.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

They're going around it in a really weird way though, considering that this show, Lower Decks, Starfleet Academy, and the kids show all appeal to only a fraction of regular Trekkies, with many people saying they're totally uninterested in one or another.

What you see as a bug, CBS sees as a feature.