Georgiou and Tyler

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by jamiebattell, Jan 6, 2021.

  1. jamiebattell

    jamiebattell Ensign Newbie

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    If the Section 31 television series has been cancelled, could we still see a novel or two each year on Georgiou and Tyler running Section 31?

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  2. Avro Arrow

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    Has it been? Last I heard, it was on track, and was the next series planned to be launched. Has there been an announcement I missed?
     
  3. dupersuper

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    I thought Strange New Worlds was first. Do we know the premiere dates?
     
  4. DGCatAniSiri

    DGCatAniSiri Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    31 was supposed to go into production after Discovery season three, but lockdown knocked that off axis. Last I knew, the latest on 31 was that the writers were meeting over Zoom as of August, but nothing since.
     
  5. jackoverfull

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    As far as I know it has not been cancelled. Would be very surprising, since they just set it up by sending Georgiu somewhere else.
     
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  6. Jinn

    Jinn Mistress of the Chaotic Energies Rear Admiral

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    Yeah, they had an entire two-parter to set it up. Would be very weird to cancel it now.
     
  7. Greg Cox

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    It has not been cancelled. It's still in the works.
     
  8. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Even if the Section 31 show were cancelled (and everyone else has already made clear in this thread it hasn't) the novels wouldn't be able to do anything with Georgiou set after Disco season 3 until after the show ended, since that's a thread that could still be picked up on screen at some point.
     
  9. jackoverfull

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    since when they cared about that? They did novels set in season 1 that were contradicted in season 2 months later.
     
  10. The Wormhole

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    Different situation entirely, as at those books were done when Bryan Fuller was still in charge of the show and he specifically requested the novels do the things they did because he had no plans for them on the show. Then he left and new writers decided to do their thing.

    As far as we know, the current showrunner will be staying for the foreseeable future as will the other franchise higher ups and will know what if anything will be in store for Georgiou. Therefore, there will not be a new novel knowingly covering the same material the show plans on doing.
     
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  11. Christopher

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    It's always been that way, in every franchise that has tie-ins. Shows' makers don't want the tie-ins to contradict the show, but the show is always free to contradict the tie-ins. After all, it's not a symmetrical relationship. The show is the primary work. The tie-ins exist to support, follow, and reflect it, not the other way around.

    Plus, of course, what The Wormhole said. Future plans are always subject to change, but that's not a license for the supplementary work to do whatever it wants. All any of us can do is base our plans and decisions on our current expectations.
     
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  12. jackoverfull

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    Exactly my point.
     
  13. Christopher

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    But you're conflating two different things. They don't care about the show contradicting the books, but they do care about the books contradicting their plans for the show. It's not commutative, because the two things are not on an equal level. Think of it as a hierarchy. The superior is free to ignore what the subordinate wants, but that absolutely does not imply the reverse.
     
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  14. jackoverfull

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    Yeah, but if they had no plan (if the s31 show was canceled...which, as far as I know, isn’t the case) they wouldn’t care, but might still reintroduce Georgiu in discovery later, contradicting the books.
     
  15. Christopher

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    It didn't sound like you were talking about a hypothetical, counterfactual future situation. You said "since when did they care," which is a question about the actual events of the past.
     
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  16. jackoverfull

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    Well, as mentioned above there were books published around season 1 that were contradicted months later. Going furtther back, I can think of novels set after Generations that were contradicted by First Contact and I'm sure more examples could be made by someone who knew the novels better than me.

    My remark simply meant that keeping continuity straight between the show and the ancillary material has always been a really low priority for the star trek owners and it's not a new situation, it goes back decades.
     
  17. Christopher

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    And it's already been explained that that was because the original production staff was replaced, not because they "didn't care" if they were contradicted.


    You're still not getting it. Yes, of course new canon contradicts the books all the time. But that does not mean they're fine with letting the books contradict them. As I said, the fact that a superior in a hierarchy is free to ignore the inferior's wishes does NOT mean the inferior is free to ignore the superior's wishes. You're talking as though the two directions are exactly the same, but they're complete opposites.
     
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  18. jackoverfull

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    OK, sorry, I think I'm not reaching here, but it doesn't matter…We're basically saying the same things, just with slightly different words.
     
  19. The Wormhole

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    It's not uncommon for shows to have a list of story ideas that are off limits to the tie-materials because there's a possibility that idea could be handled on the show someday. Indeed, that could very well be the reason there hasn't been a novel revealing the fate of Prime Lorca. If the Section 31 series were indeed cancelled, the fate of Georgiou could also be on that list, which would prevent any novels from addressing the matter while Disco were still airing.
     
  20. Christopher

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    Yes, I think that's pretty common.

    I used to wonder about that paradox myself: If the show is free to ignore what the books do anyway, why should they impose any restrictions on what the books do? I finally realized it's because the purpose of the books is to support and follow the show, not to pre-empt it. If there's a story the producers think they might tell, they want to be the ones to tell it, not to have a tie-in steal their thunder. If a tie-in has already told it, they'll go ahead and ignore it, but if they have the opportunity in advance, they'll say "Don't do that before us."
     
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