What exactly what is your malfunction? You're in here throwing a temper tantrum when no one has done anything to you.
George Takei accused of sexual assault.
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I WILL NOT STAND for people that give tacit support to molestors and rape culture
If not for the Stern interview I would agree. But once someone admits to non consensual groping, which is sexual assault, they lose their presumption of innocence.
Robert, listen. The mods are already watching this thread closely. If they see a post that breaks the rules, they will do something. But ONLY if it actually breaks the rules. And as a friendly word of advice you are going to wind up getting modded yourself if you aren't careful. I agree with your passion, but I also know how forums work and can see when someone is getting close to the danger zone. Just food for thought.
Frankly ? I don't believe I agree. I believe sexual assaulters are mostly men because the patriarchy still exists today.
However, I believe it's necessary to say that men who suffer sexual assaults do have a tendency of being afraid of coming forward. They fear society will not view them as "manly" enough because they were sexually assaulted.
Obviously, that doesn't mean female sexual assaulters don't exist. They do exist and they need to be brought to justice. We also need to talk about them too, like we talk about any sexual assaulter.
Women suffer way more because of sexism but men are also hurt because of it. Gender roles are horrible and they affect humanity itself in a very negative way.
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Well this happened before I was even born. Why didn't the guy get in contact with George personally first rather than just going to the public? He did stop when the guy insisted that he stop. Sometimes people get bold and put moves on other people without asking because asking can ruin the mood. Sometimes people just make up stories too even if it seems there's nothing to be gained by making up a story they do it anyway. Who knows.
^ He did confront Takei
Of course women are victimized more, but the numbers are closer than one would expect. There was an article on Slate awhile back that quoted surveys saying 38% of sexual assaults and rapes were men, and of that, 46% of those men reported that women were the assaulters.
http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html
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We have a culture which treats sexual assault victims very poorly, so lots of people remain silent about it. Now we have a movement to raise awareness about how pervasive this is, and it's much easier to finally say "me too" when you see others doing it. Why is that so fucking difficult to fathom?
There is just one tiny problem. Even IF this one specific incident isnt true, what he ADMITTED doing in the Stern interiew is actually sexual assualt. And in light of that, he also loses credibility and presumption of innocence.
Jesus another person to report. marsh you have been reported for MOLESTATION ENABLING. No means mean. End of story.
Absolutely. And those numbers will probably go up in the next few years because we are encouraging more men to come forward. The root of the problem will still be in our patriarchal society, though. I just hope we come together as a species to solve this problem once and for all.
woohoo!!
Okay I listened to the Howard Stern thing. Permission is a complicated thing. There's implied permisson and explicit permission. He may have felt that he was within bounds to give it a try without the other person being offended and had implied consent in that sense. Then finds out he doesn't have permission after trying. When asked about it: "Have you ever grabbed someone without consent" he thinks about the times he thought he had implied consent but found out otherwise.I mean the myths and misconceptions are prevalent among both genders.
It's obvious that males make up the majority of offenders, but sadly there are many women who enable them by engaging in victim blaming or by shielding offenders. I have seen far too many instances of mothers turning against their own children to protect their partner, or friends talking victims out of complaining because of a judgment of their own actions (not resisting, being drunk, etc).
Misogyny certainly plays a part in the prevalence of offending, but so does a lack of understanding of the nature of the offending - particularly when it comes to how a victim "should" react.
woohoo!!
If you really listened, you heard him say he would grope people who were skittish or AFRAID to try to "persuade" them. Here is a newsflash: if some is afraid, they arent consenting. And if someone isnt consenting, it is assault, period. There just isnt any way around that, and we cant pretend something isnt assualt because it happened to a gay guy. If any man said he groped women who were afraid to try to persuade them, that would be an open and shut case. Its time to stop the double standard.
NO MORE.
#METOO.
TIMEOUTS FOR MOLESTATION ENABLERS.
#METOO.
TIMEOUTS FOR MOLESTATION ENABLERS.
I also don't believe in a slippery slope but I also don't think the context of society has much value when judging each case because you got to take each accusation on it's own terms and kind of ignore what the bigger picture is when it comes to society. People are people and can't be treated like statistics. You can't expect that every individual is going to react the exact same way just because they fit into some pattern, if your the person tasked to getting to the truth. It's one of the reasons why I hate mandatory sentencing. At some point the individuality of people has to be looked at before you pass judgment.
I'm also not sure if the internet helps or hurts. To many people with to little knowledge or experience and zero connection to the people involved in the cases does not strike me as a great thing. I also think the impact of this stuff is still only going to effect Hollywood and not regular society. Not everyone has the benefit of internet backers to help bring down people's attackers and I also suspect that if some of these sexual abusers were B-Grade nobodies in hollywood that these stories would be something people follow. It's kind of dirty to say but it helps that you have some A-list talent being brought down because that is what it takes to get noticed on the internet. That is if this does somehow have a long-term impact that is a good thing.
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